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Roll Call

  • Present: Matt Domsch, Jared Smith, Jon Stanley, Rex Dieter, Máirín Duffy, Christopher Aillon, Tom Callaway, Chris Tyler
  • Absent: Colin Walters (may be out on PTO)
  • Regards: Stephen Smoogen
  • Assigned meeting secretary: Chris Tyler, extensive gobby notes by everyone


  • Updates
    • Didn't meet last week due to FUDCon Zurich
  • Work on Open Tickets


  • FUDCon Zurich
    • mizmo: A lot of people not happy with Fedora EMEA situation
    • Many people seemed disappointed that there weren't more non-RH folks there
    • Not as many talks as previous FUDCons
    • BarCamp worked well, very well organized
    • Spot: Many folks disappointed that the barcamp was on the last day, and they were unable to participate
      • Some folks went sightseeing the first day, and missed the first day of hackfests
      • Defintely don't put barcamp on the last day in Tempe (this has not historically been done in NA)
    • mizmo: Dave Crossland gave a great talk on open source typography
      • would be great to reach out to more subject-matter experts in the wider FLOSS community and invite them to FUDcons (anyone in mind for FUDcon Tempe?)
  • Fedora 14 Beta tomorrow
    • Go/no-go last Wed - No beta blockers identified, release bits flipped tomorrow morning.

Open Tickets

  • Ticket 78: Vision statement *
    • Proposals **
      • Proposed VS from Spot: To encourage adoption of new and casual users, to provide a platform for expansion and development for power users, and to create a community of thriving contributions within a free software ideaology. (done in the order of the pyramid, maybe flip order) - Edited: To create a community of thriving contributions within a free software ideaology, to provide a platform for expansion and development for power users, and to encourage adoption (participation? collaboration?) of (by?) new and casual users
      • Existing proposal from Mairin: The Fedora Project envisions a widely-adopted and thriving free & open source software ecosystem improving users' lives worldwide." (30-Aug)
      • Existing proposal from Jared: The Fedora Project works to create a world in which (the culture of) free/open-source software is pervasive, collaboration is the norm, and people are empowered to control their own data and devices.
      • on-the-fly proposal based on spot's - A thriving, diverse, collaborative free culture community; a healthy free culture ecosystem for expansion and development for power users; and to encourage free culture collaboration with new and casual users.
      • on-the-fly proposal based on Jared's - The Fedora Project creates a world in which free and open culture is both welcoming and pervasive, collaboration and outreach is the norm, and people are empowered to control their own content and devices.
        • Agreed: Consider this the "Final Draft for Comments", jsmith to send to advisory-board, consider comments, and vote for final approval in one week.
        • IRC meeting at 2 pm EDT on Friday Oct 1 for community discussion. Comments close EOD UTC Friday.
    • Discussion
      • mdomsch: People don't join communities to join a commnunity, they join because they have matching goals/ideals
      • spot: jared's doesn't answer as many questions as i'd like when considering new features/etc
        • caillon: we could have a vision statement for the project as a whole, and a separate one or separate mission statement for the distro itself
        • spot: if someone wants to do free music around that statement, can they? it specifically says software
        • jsmith: change it to not refer specifically to software
        • spot: can it answer the question: "does this have a broader benefit to help us grow our community or not?" i called out new & casual users because it can be mapped against specific propsals as being in line with it or not - if Fedora the OS had a separate statement that specifically mentions these users, that would do the same thing, but will we actually have one?
        • caillon: new & casual users is implied: if the majority of ppl in the world look at fedora and think it's unusable then we won't ever achieve our goal
      • after we select the vision statement, come up with a set of tangible goals, focus on specific SIGs/teams and outline how they can help achieve it (guidance for fesco, guidance for sigs, etc)
      • everyone should be thinking about short-medium term, next 1-3 fedora releases, goals we'd like to set, not too technically-specific, to meet vision. for example, encourage more people making backgrounds => instead of saying we want 100 new backgrounds for the next 3 releases, rather say we want an improved focus on free art, and allow fesco/sigs to figure out what that means to them and have them set the specific tangible goals on their own.
      • jstanley: barcamp session at next fudcon to discuss implementation possibly. People are much less likely to be hostile to each other when they're in the same room, and the discussion can be more focused.
  • Ticket 82: Charter for Community Working Group (if time permits)
    • Tabled for next week

Any Other Business?

  • (None)

Next meeting(s)

  • IRC Fri Oct 1: 2 PM EDT (and every other Friday after that for Office Hours)
    • rotating duty so at least one board member is present
  • Phone Mon Oct 4: 2 PM EDT (and every Monday after that)