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<h1>IRC Log of FDSCo Meeting (10 January 2007)</h1>
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<tr id="t17:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><meeting></td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:17" class="time">17:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, then</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:17" class="time">17:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">0. Report on meeting with with FPB</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:17" class="time">17:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">We followed the agenda as posted on fedora-docs-list</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:17" class="time">17:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">with a last minute addition that I said we were going to actively tackle elections and leadership stuff in FDP</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:18" class="time">17:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:18"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid posts URL of the agenda thread</td><td><a href="#t17:18" class="time">17:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-January/msg00000.html">http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-January/msg00000.html</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:18" class="time">17:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:18"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster is here</td><td><a href="#t17:18" class="time">17:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hey, that's a cool 00000 msg number for 2007</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:19" class="time">17:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">a fuller report can be had by reading the IRC log that is posted somewheres</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:19" class="time">17:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Heh, I win the msg# lottery</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:19" class="time">17:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">my summary is that we were heard on all issues, good discussions had about them as well</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:20" class="time">17:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Max took a lot of actions from it, which is good since he is paid to take care of such issues :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:20" class="time">17:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:21"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid cuts a kiwi, one sec</td><td><a href="#t17:21" class="time">17:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">back</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:22" class="time">17:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">umm, what else was good ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:22" class="time">17:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:22"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid looks at the agenda we used for references ...</td><td><a href="#t17:22" class="time">17:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">* Agreed we need to work on diversity in the relnotes contributors, scalability, etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:23" class="time">17:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">* Max and Karsten are going to work on the click-through CLA and mapping it to ACLS, content control levels, and drift that by the appropriate $BRAINS</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:23" class="time">17:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">* No promises about FUDCon except we are going to host hackfesting where we can</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:24" class="time">17:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so there is now a session we're running to hack on tools, Documentation Guide, etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:24" class="time">17:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:25"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster has added that to the Fudcon page</td><td><a href="#t17:25" class="time">17:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:26"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster listed himself as leader but only because he felt weird volunteering others</td><td><a href="#t17:26" class="time">17:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: What does "no promises" mean?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:26" class="time">17:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">That was <confused> not <taken_aback></td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:26" class="time">17:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">um</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:26" class="time">17:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, like, we can't promise to be productive</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:27" class="time">17:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Sure we can!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:27" class="time">17:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">or distracted by something more important or cooler</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:27" class="time">17:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">:-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:27" class="time">17:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it's called the "Cali Caveat"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:27" class="time">17:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Heh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:27" class="time">17:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">lol</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:27" class="time">17:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">"Sure, dude, we'll do it ... unless something cooler comes along."</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:27" class="time">17:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">where cooler could be your couch</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:27" class="time">17:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Well the hackfest is Sat+Sun, so between having almost two days and a strong pair of handcuffs, I'm sure we can keep you occupied :-D</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:28" class="time">17:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">oh, all right</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:28" class="time">17:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">LOL</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:28" class="time">17:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">um</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:28" class="time">17:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:28" class="time">17:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:29"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster is only 1/2 serious</td><td><a href="#t17:29" class="time">17:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">OK, 1/4</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:29" class="time">17:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I brought up the stuff about working across distros and FLOSS projects on common docs, mentioned we know the pitfalls, and no one there screamed at us</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:29" class="time">17:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so that's good</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:29" class="time">17:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">don't have to hold back jmbuser :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:29" class="time">17:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I think that's really in the keeping with "Fedora points upstream" mantra</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:29" class="time">17:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">right</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:29" class="time">17:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">s/in the/in/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:29" class="time">17:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and acknowledging this area is broken, who knows how to fix it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:30" class="time">17:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:30"><td class="action" colspan="2">* EvilBob goes to cook something, will be a little AFK</td><td><a href="#t17:30" class="time">17:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">* Mentioned that FDP is going to help the QA/Testing folks with documentation, and be able to use that as a proof point to show other projects how using our tools and processes will totally rock their world.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:30" class="time">17:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">* We need to better publicize the guideline that all Projects watch their ProjectName.* namespace in the Wiki</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:31" class="time">17:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Right, q.v. above (click-through CLA)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:32" class="time">17:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:32"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster turns all pedantic for benefit of people reading IRC log on the list</td><td><a href="#t17:32" class="time">17:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">roger that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:32" class="time">17:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah, we got it through that the CLA is an impediment to contributors on the Wiki and that it matters to fix this</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:32" class="time">17:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(just to stretch that note)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:32" class="time">17:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so maybe one day Rik van Riel will get an account :D</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:33" class="time">17:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, onto the roadblocks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:33" class="time">17:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">heh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:33" class="time">17:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">1. L10N -- Max has some actions to help out ... bottom line is, we have the permissions we need in the various projects, we just need the resources and leadership in various projects to make it happen</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:34" class="time">17:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">2. RHEL content -- Max actions mainly from here; we've made it known the various impacts on FDP and what can/cannot do, should/should not do.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:35" class="time">17:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">bottom line on that is going to be to do what is best for the community, and I think we have some consensus on what that is :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:36" class="time">17:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I think the Board is realizing (in part because of #1 there) that the resource needs are really mounting up</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:36" class="time">17:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">And it's going to take some serious cat-herding to get people working on the right stuff</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:36" class="time">17:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">3. Developer involvement -- Raised this perennial issue, asking for ongoing input/oversight/hammer throwing from the FPB.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:36" class="time">17:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">right on</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:37" class="time">17:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and that is the agenda</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:37" class="time">17:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">My actions from it are:</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:37" class="time">17:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">k> Work with Max on the RHEL content situation.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:38" class="time">17:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">k> Get a "Needs release note" flag in bugzilla for Fedora side</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:38" class="time">17:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that's it :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:38" class="time">17:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I forgot ... was that last one a "talk to lmacken" suggestion?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:39" class="time">17:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, that was a long report</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:39" class="time">17:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Yes, I have a BZ session open right now to find out the current lay o' the land</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:39" class="time">17:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, moving on in the agenda from here ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:39" class="time">17:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'd like to move around the next stuff</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:39" class="time">17:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and talk Elections first, since I invited abadger1999 to hang out and hear any questions we have about technical stuff 17:40  </td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:40" class="time">17:40</a></td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* abadger1999 waves</td></tr>
<tr id="t17:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so s/1. WTF .../1. Elections/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:40" class="time">17:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"><a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/describekeywords.cgi">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/describekeywords.cgi</a>  (?)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:40" class="time">17:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Hi abadger1999</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:40" class="time">17:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">abadger1999: we're using the FESCo processes and modifying them to do FDSCO elections</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:41" class="time">17:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and figured the election tools would be a good thing to work with too :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:41" class="time">17:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">what do we have to do to get that going? what should we know?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:41" class="time">17:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">The documented on the wiki process or the "occurred in the last election" process?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:41" class="time">17:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">stickster: not sure what those are?  I'm thinking of a flag that appears, a checkbox with "Needs release note", and it sounds as if it is only implemented for RHEL and internal view</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:42" class="time">17:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Reality is probably the best place to start ;-D</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:42" class="time">17:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Might be</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:42" class="time">17:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">abadger1999: ah, see, here you are already valuable :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:42" class="time">17:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: I only have the normal "Fedora bugs" group view</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:42" class="time">17:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">k.  the current cgi puts a ballot of candidates on a webpage.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:42" class="time">17:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">abadger1999: I have this page up that we want to start modifying to match reality and what can work ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:42" class="time">17:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: Go ahead.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:43" class="time">17:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Policy/FDSCoElections?highlight=%28Election%29">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Policy/FDSCoElections?highlight=%28Election%29</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:43" class="time">17:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">sorry, had to find it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:43" class="time">17:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">urp</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:43" class="time">17:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Policy/FDSCoElections">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Policy/FDSCoElections</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:43" class="time">17:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so that is nearly a 100% copy, with s/FESCo/FDSCo/g</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:44" class="time">17:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Yeah, that looks familiar :-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:44" class="time">17:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">stickster: is the Release notes bug stuff different than the alias we have been using?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:44" class="time">17:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:44" class="time">17:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Are you going to wait until after F7 to hold the election?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:45" class="time">17:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">EvilBob: yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:45" class="time">17:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:45" class="time">17:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it's a special flag that probably does much the same thing as putting in a blocker + a Cc:</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:45" class="time">17:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">EvilBob: We are looking for a checkbox that developers can simply tick to mark something for relnotes interest</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:45" class="time">17:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">abadger1999: well, I dunno at this point</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:45" class="time">17:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">stickster: Awesome</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:45" class="time">17:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">abadger1999: I'd like to do it sooner, meant to do it earlier :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:45" class="time">17:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">EvilBob: Apparently such an animal exists on the internal RH view for RHEL Release Notes in BZ</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:45" class="time">17:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">EvilBob: it exists for RHEL, we just need a copy for us :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:45" class="time">17:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">abadger1999: do you have a recommendation on timing? or ...?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:46" class="time">17:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I was just a bit confuzeld</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:46" class="time">17:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">sure, i forget that people don't have all the view.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:46" class="time">17:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Okay.  Well, what we have now is slightly different than the policy on the wiki.  I'm planning on modifying the voting app to match the wiki by F7 so FESCo can follow its own policy (unless the merger changes things)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:46" class="time">17:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">s/view/same view/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:46" class="time">17:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Currently:</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:46" class="time">17:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">The app displays a ballot with all the candidates. </td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:47" class="time">17:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">You select a nuber of candidates equal to the number of open seats.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:47" class="time">17:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">The vote is recorded for your Fedora account.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:47" class="time">17:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">At the end of the election period, the voting app stops allowing votes.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:47" class="time">17:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I read the table in the database that has the results and tell you who got how may votes.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:48" class="time">17:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Set up and tear down is currently manual -- You give me a list of the candidates and the start and stop dates.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:48" class="time">17:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I enter it in with a little script.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:49" class="time">17:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I have to read the database to get the information out to you afte rthe election.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:49" class="time">17:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">So if that's okay with you, you can hold the election any time after you get the list of candidates and how many open seats.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:50" class="time">17:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:50" class="time">17:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">the post F7 is a self-service version of the above?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:50" class="time">17:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">is voting open to all those with Fedora accounts?  or just e.g. 'cvsdocs'?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:50" class="time">17:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">That's one of the goals for the post-F7 world.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:51" class="time">17:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:51"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid reads his own page</td><td><a href="#t17:51" class="time">17:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it was a cvsextras account requirement, right?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:51" class="time">17:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Yeah -- the voting is constrained to a group within the accoutns system.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:51" class="time">17:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">You can set it to cvsdocs if you want.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:51" class="time">17:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I set it to the ambassadors group when they held their election earlier this year.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:52" class="time">17:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">cool</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:52" class="time">17:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">My biggest question is "Do we have enough interest in leadership to have an election"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:53" class="time">17:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">one way to find out</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:53" class="time">17:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">offer an election :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:53" class="time">17:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">right on</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:54" class="time">17:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">How many seats do we want to have ttal</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:54" class="time">17:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">total</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:54" class="time">17:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">no fewer than 5 or more than 9?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:54" class="time">17:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">all seats?  and what do we want to do about the chair?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:55" class="time">17:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">maybe we guage interest and constituents?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:55" class="time">17:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Are all seats up for "the taking" or are some seat secured for this first election?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:55" class="time">17:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">s/ua/au/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:55" class="time">17:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I would say, let the elected members choose their leader amongst themselves</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:55" class="time">17:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">IOW, like most boards</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:55" class="time">17:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">IMO keeping some seats to allow for transition can be helpful</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:55" class="time">17:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">EvilBob: Probably useful to do in the 2nd election +</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:56" class="time">17:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">my thinking would be to _add_ to what we have in terms of active seats</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:56" class="time">17:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I would say, make the 1st election "all seats" so we can rightly claim that everyone is community-selected</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:56" class="time">17:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">70 or more percent turn over could be drastic and also delay some of our long term goals</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:56" class="time">17:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">right now there are three of us who regular make meetings and (agree to) do shit</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:56" class="time">17:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:57"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid happily throws his hat into the ring</td><td><a href="#t17:57" class="time">17:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:57"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster too</td><td><a href="#t17:57" class="time">17:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:57"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster kicks EvilBob under the table</td><td><a href="#t17:57" class="time">17:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">maybe he knows something we don't :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:57" class="time">17:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">heh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:57" class="time">17:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">IMO personally I would like to see the seats of you two and Tommy as "transition" seats</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:57" class="time">17:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I only want to stay on FDSCo if the community wants me there</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:58" class="time">17:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I enjoy it and would miss it but I want to feel like folks are happy with me doing it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:58" class="time">17:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I will put my hat in the ring , next election you guys can do the same, How long are the terms for?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:58" class="time">17:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">other than quaid who loves me no matter what</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:58" class="time">17:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">are we big enough to "need" 5?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:59" class="time">17:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">stickster: true dat!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:59" class="time">17:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">or "need" 7?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:59" class="time">17:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: Whew, thanks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:59" class="time">17:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">or "need" 9?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:59" class="time">17:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I would say 5 is a minimum</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:59" class="time">17:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:59"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid takes a big hit of crack</td><td><a href="#t17:59" class="time">17:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I say we shoot for 7</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:59" class="time">17:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">12?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:59" class="time">17:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">21?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:59" class="time">17:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">3 just feels too much like a cabal</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:59" class="time">17:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">53 yo</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:59" class="time">17:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">42</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:59" class="time">17:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t17:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">but elect 4 this election</td><td class="time"><a href="#t17:59" class="time">17:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">this is the election we should have had last Nov., the "+4" one</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:00" class="time">18:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">in 6 months we have another election and rotate the other 3 heads</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:00" class="time">18:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and be planning now for the "all seats"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:00" class="time">18:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Right</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:00" class="time">18:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">any other thoughts in the channel?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:00" class="time">18:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Oh,  One thing I have found in FESCo is that it works out to be a twelve month commitment because of Fedora's schedule.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:00" class="time">18:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Yes, that's true.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:01" class="time">18:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">about "elect all to make it clearly a community committee" v. "elect a majority of the committee from the community"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:01" class="time">18:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">So we're asking essentially for 1 year of volunteer effort; we can be up front about that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:01" class="time">18:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">That seems to be a tad on the long side as it's hard to predict how much time you'll have 12 months from now.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:01" class="time">18:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">true</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:01" class="time">18:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">12 month commitments, 1/2 elected on 6 month intervals</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:01" class="time">18:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">OTOH, having votes every six months seemed like overkill.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:01" class="time">18:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I think web votes and 1/2 turnover make this a lot easier</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:02" class="time">18:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">abadger1999: even for a split of seats, only 1/2 up every 6 mon?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:02" class="time">18:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">It's not like you have to drive to the polls :-D</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:02" class="time">18:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I don't want to overthink it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:02" class="time">18:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we need an even # of seats then</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:02" class="time">18:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ultimately :(</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:02" class="time">18:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">:) that is</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:02" class="time">18:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">The thought when we wrote the FESCo policy was that wht counts is how many times the Fedora contributors would have to vote for people.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:02" class="time">18:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ah, hmm</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:03" class="time">18:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">having elections every 6 months will allow for people mid term to get out and be replaced</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:03" class="time">18:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">If they have to vote separately for the Fedora Board, FESCo, and Docs... each every six months, that would add up.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:03" class="time">18:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">how many people have that many votes to make?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:03" class="time">18:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">most wouldhave one project, and one board</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:03" class="time">18:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">right?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:03" class="time">18:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Yeah I am a freak</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:03" class="time">18:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">LOL</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:03" class="time">18:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">We tried to address some of this by trying to get elections merged into one ballot and also holding elections on a ~12month schedule.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:04" class="time">18:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I do not think we need an equal number of seats each election</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:04" class="time">18:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">We can do 4+3</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:04" class="time">18:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">errr</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:04" class="time">18:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">4 and 3</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:04" class="time">18:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">EvilBob: +1... any reason that wouldn't work?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:05" class="time">18:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: I don't know.  I know I'm not hte only one in multiple groups.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:05" class="time">18:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but in FDP there aren't that many</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:05" class="time">18:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I think we can start with "every six months" and leave a "room to reevaluate" in the charter</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:05" class="time">18:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I really want there to be a replacement room half way through the year commitment</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:05" class="time">18:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">then people can know there is a "drop out" target, and they can trigger their seat to be added into the vote</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:06" class="time">18:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I just want to get elections rolling :-)  The # of votes is going to give us a GREAT idea how many people sub'd to the list give a crap</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:06" class="time">18:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so every once in a while it's a X+Y v. just X</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:06" class="time">18:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">In my last two years as part of FDP and the last year as part of FDSCo Tommy, Paul and Karsten have done the most work, I would like to see those seats "secured" for this first election, I would assume that these parties would be re-elected even if they put their hats in the ring</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:06" class="time">18:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Yeah, much like poker, there's really no reason you can't draw 4 instead of 3</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:06" class="time">18:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: Reevaluation and flexibility is always a plus :-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:06" class="time">18:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:06"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster has easy house rules</td><td><a href="#t18:06" class="time">18:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I like this best-of idea then:</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:07" class="time">18:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">put up 4 seats now, so we are "majority community elected"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:07" class="time">18:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:07" class="time">18:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">then we can revote the Chair position and move forward, with continuity</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:07" class="time">18:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:07" class="time">18:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so e.g. I could be replaced as Chair and still have continuity of duties with pleasure :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:07" class="time">18:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">heh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:07" class="time">18:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">If Tommy is against "securing his seat" or would like to step down and not put his hat in I understand that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:08" class="time">18:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">We should give him that option</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:08" class="time">18:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">All of us have that option :-D</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:09" class="time">18:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I have no problem putting my hat in the ring</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:09" class="time">18:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">and would like to  do so</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:09" class="time">18:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">You're on, cowboy</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:09" class="time">18:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, now, let's talk about this more ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:09" class="time">18:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Yes, let's</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:10" class="time">18:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">what is the real risk that a coup or overriding of all the actioneers?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:10" class="time">18:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">We do need to keep 3 of the current board IMO</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:10" class="time">18:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but why not just put them all up to vote/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:10" class="time">18:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Um, I think it's pretty low, and if it were to happen, maybe we deserve it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:10" class="time">18:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">right</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:10" class="time">18:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that's my thinking ... it would just be better to wipe clean and roll with that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:10" class="time">18:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I think that keeping some seats will make the transition easier</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:10" class="time">18:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">agreed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:10" class="time">18:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">This is what I was saying before... but I thought I was a minority of one</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:10" class="time">18:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">stickster: no not at all</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:11" class="time">18:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">EvilBob: But how likely is it that we won't end up with some folks re-elected anyway?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:11" class="time">18:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, this is the "first reevaluation of our decision"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:11" class="time">18:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">stickster: I also see value in what you are saying</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:11" class="time">18:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:11"><td class="action" colspan="2">* abadger1999 Notes that there was no coup when FESCo held its election</td><td><a href="#t18:11" class="time">18:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I think, pretty low... let's throw caution to the wind.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:11" class="time">18:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yes, caution, wind</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:11" class="time">18:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">abadger1999: 'zactly</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:11" class="time">18:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">It all depends on how many crazy^Wwell-meaning candidates you have who want to be on the Board.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:12" class="time">18:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">my concern is there won't be enough :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:12" class="time">18:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">one reason to make there be enough seats and candidates</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:12" class="time">18:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">if we hold back three seats, we hold back three candidates</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:12" class="time">18:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">abadger1999: I honestly think we will have some trouble fuilling seats with out help from a train</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:12" class="time">18:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">getting railroaded in to helping is not a lot of fun</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:14" class="time">18:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">it is one of the reasons that my hat was not in for the ambassadors election</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:14" class="time">18:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">How many seats? How many votes for each contributor?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:16" class="time">18:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">How do we railroad people in to being candidates?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:16" class="time">18:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:16"><td class="action" colspan="2">* BobJensen ducks</td><td><a href="#t18:16" class="time">18:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">an odd number of seats is a must if the contributors are active</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:17" class="time">18:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">OK, my feeling is, let's try to fill 7 seats... an "all-in" election</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:17" class="time">18:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">with 7 seats I would say each contributor should get 4 votes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:18" class="time">18:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I think some of our new folks are going to be interested in running... jmb, dg, ad...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:18" class="time">18:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:18"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster gives gratuitous shouts</td><td><a href="#t18:18" class="time">18:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">if we only have 7 people running do we go with everyone or reduce our head count to 5?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:19" class="time">18:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">ghenry: ping</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:19" class="time">18:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">abadger1999: How did that work with FESCo?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:20" class="time">18:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">We held the election before the policy as formulated.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:20" class="time">18:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">We had an open call for candidates for 2+ weeks  because people were slow to sign up as candidates.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:21" class="time">18:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">abadger1999: yeah, just read it again</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:21" class="time">18:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">BobJensen: Answer is, it stays open an extra week... if still only 7, they all get confirmed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:22" class="time">18:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Some people put themselves on as "conditional candidates" ie: they would take a seat if no one else wanted it.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:22" class="time">18:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">abadger1999: Yeah, I remember that part</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:22" class="time">18:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">When we wrote the policy we explicitly wanted to avoid the conditional candidates.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:22" class="time">18:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Because it was confusing.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:22" class="time">18:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">I agree there</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:23" class="time">18:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">either you are in or you are out, no fence sitting</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:23" class="time">18:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">We did come up with more than the minimum number of seats.  Even leaving off the conditional candidates we still had two extras people.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:23" class="time">18:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:24"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- megacoder [n=MegaCode c-71-231-222-164 hsd1 or comcast net]  has joined #fedora-docs</td><td><a href="#t18:24" class="time">18:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">If you are not committed to making it to "most" of the meetings and helping get stuff done then don't let others force you in</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:24" class="time">18:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">Hey tommy</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:24" class="time">18:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">But we did have to talk to a few people on IRC and make recommendations in private and on the mailing list soliciting people we thought would be good.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:24" class="time">18:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> megacoder</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">BobJensen, hi</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:24" class="time">18:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Hey megacoder</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:25" class="time">18:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">megacoder: I was just talking about you</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:25" class="time">18:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">We're doing governance stuff... getting an election lined up</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:25" class="time">18:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> megacoder</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">BobJensen, my spider sense was tingling</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:25" class="time">18:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> megacoder</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">stickster, ack</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:25" class="time">18:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">megacoder: Cool, I put up the beacon but it is overcast here, did not think you could see it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:25" class="time">18:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> megacoder</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">Did I get volunteered for something?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:26" class="time">18:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">megacoder: not yet</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:26" class="time">18:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> megacoder</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">BobJensen, and you are where?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:26" class="time">18:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid has gone silent but he may simply be ponderin'</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:26" class="time">18:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">sorry</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:26" class="time">18:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">east about 1200 miles</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:26" class="time">18:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I did get distracted by something :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:26" class="time">18:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">one word, handcuffs :-D</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:26" class="time">18:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">So the competing possibilities are:</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:28" class="time">18:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">1.  Hold back a few seats and elect some more (4?)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:28" class="time">18:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">megacoder: we were talking about the election, I suggested we "secure" a few of the seats this election to ensure a graceful transition. I suggested that quaid stickster and yourself remain on the board at this time</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:28" class="time">18:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:28"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid watches </td><td><a href="#t18:28" class="time">18:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">2.  Elect all the seats at once, not worrying about a coup</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:28" class="time">18:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">3.  Uh, have a sandwich and a $BEVERAGE.  No.  There is no 3.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:29" class="time">18:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> megacoder</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">BobJensen, OK by me, but my attendance is really spotty of late.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:29" class="time">18:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(and secretly being relieved if there is a coup, yay more time for me!)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:29" class="time">18:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">lol</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:29" class="time">18:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">I am wondering can both BobJensen and EvilBob run?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:29" class="time">18:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">nes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:29" class="time">18:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">LOL</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:29" class="time">18:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">As long as you bribe me twice</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:29" class="time">18:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">My vote is #2</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:30" class="time">18:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">Anhow seriously I am on the fence right now as to how we do this, I would like to see 6month elecions of ~1/2 the board</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:30" class="time">18:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> megacoder</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">I wouldn't want to belong to any group that would have members like me???</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:31" class="time">18:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> megacoder</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">stickster, is that what you meant?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:31" class="time">18:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Regardless, I like the idea of 6-month half-turnover elections</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:31" class="time">18:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">But at the same time I can see the value of "starting clean"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:31" class="time">18:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">BobJensen: We can do both</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:32" class="time">18:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ah, hmm</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:32" class="time">18:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">in 6 months time we will be all community elected</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:32" class="time">18:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but how to choose which seats are up for election at the 6 mon mark?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:32" class="time">18:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(if we start clean now)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:32" class="time">18:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">quaid: the X that were hed back this time and anyone that wants out</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:32" class="time">18:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">IC</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:32" class="time">18:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">I do not know how that could/should/would work if we start clean now</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:33" class="time">18:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:33"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster laughingly notes that the Board faces this very issue in April :-D</td><td><a href="#t18:33" class="time">18:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">maybe this is another lesson we can relearn</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:34" class="time">18:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">two choices I see:</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:34" class="time">18:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">I think by keeping some seats back we eliminate that potential problem</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:34" class="time">18:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">The half with the least votes are up for re-election in 6 months?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:34" class="time">18:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">1. Start clean, have 4 seats "1 year" and 3 seats "6 mons"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:34" class="time">18:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">2. Start with +4 and draw lots as to who get the 3 left, then spin those 3 in six months</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:34" class="time">18:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">abadger1999: interesting third option</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:35" class="time">18:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">Hmmm</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:35" class="time">18:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">the 3 with the lowest number of votes is an interesting idea</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:35" class="time">18:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">I also think that we should make sure we try to "revitalize" some of our people that have been on extended LOA also</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:36" class="time">18:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> megacoder</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">Is there a motivating need to change the tenure and method?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:36" class="time">18:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, that's next</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:36" class="time">18:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">after we announce is when we start talking amongst ourselves to politick for more people</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:37" class="time">18:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">personal email/contacts should be inorder IMO</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:37" class="time">18:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">megacoder: how do you mean?  "why elections?" or ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:37" class="time">18:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">BobJensen: Of course, free to do that in addition to posting the call on the f-docs-l and f-announce-l</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:37" class="time">18:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">Tammy Fox is an example of someone that we should see if we can get back in</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:37" class="time">18:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Is she still even active in the project?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:38" class="time">18:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> megacoder</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">quaid, I see discussions of split tenure, oddball scoring and the like.  I'm wondering what the problem really is.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:38" class="time">18:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">she has been around a little bit in the last 6 months</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:38" class="time">18:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">megacoder: lack of acknowledged leadership, meaning FDSCo is too quiet</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:38" class="time">18:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> megacoder</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">Ah.  OK, then</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:38" class="time">18:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Plus, it's a project requirement now.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:39" class="time">18:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">megacoder: also, the committee has never been community elected, and that is the direction the rst of the Project takes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:39" class="time">18:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ah, requirement, then</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:39" class="time">18:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">quaid: should we check with someone from the ambassadors steering comm to see how their transition went?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:40" class="time">18:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> megacoder</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">Well, since it's in The Rules...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:40" class="time">18:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><singsong>The rules</singsong></td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:40" class="time">18:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, then</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:41" class="time">18:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">do we have a consensus then?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:41" class="time">18:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">all seat open, lowest three votes are up again in six months</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:42" class="time">18:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">I say we take the two ideas to the community</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:42" class="time">18:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">see what the community wants</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:42" class="time">18:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, if we don't have a consensus nor a compelling reason to force me to choose</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:42" class="time">18:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">then the list it is!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:42" class="time">18:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">OK, let's make it a point to make a decision next week</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:43" class="time">18:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> megacoder</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:43" class="time">18:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">as I stated I am on the fence, if the others want to vote we can</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:43" class="time">18:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">stickster: +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:43" class="time">18:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">can or should we vote on this internally?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:44" class="time">18:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">if you guys think it is OK for the 4 f us to make the choice I am OK with that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:44" class="time">18:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">oh, we have such power, surely</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:44" class="time">18:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:44" class="time">18:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">is the fact we have no consensus a sign we need more discussion?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:44" class="time">18:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:44" class="time">18:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">fwiw, our charter for this committee specifically gives us power to do stuff like this.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:45" class="time">18:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">I like the #1 option more and more</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:45" class="time">18:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">the next FDSCo can dismantle all this and do something new :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:45" class="time">18:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> megacoder</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">We have repeatedly announced this is an open meeting, with anyone invited.  Those interested are probably here now.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:45" class="time">18:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">BobJensen: Uh, which was #1?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:45" class="time">18:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:45"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster scrolls back</td><td><a href="#t18:45" class="time">18:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">all seats with the 3 low votes getting a second chance in 6 months</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:45" class="time">18:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"><quaid> 1. Start clean, have 4 seats "1 year" and 3 seats "6 mons"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:46" class="time">18:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"><quaid> 2. Start with +4 and draw lots as to who get the 3 left, then spin those 3 in six months</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:46" class="time">18:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Yeah, if everyone hates us for it, they can always take action at election-time</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:46" class="time">18:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">megacoder: well, this is a the middle of the night in EMEA and parts of APAC, so ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:46" class="time">18:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> megacoder</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">Either we can make this decision or we're not empowered enough to be here anyway AFAICT</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:46" class="time">18:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">I vote for #1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:47" class="time">18:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> megacoder</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">I vote for #1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:47" class="time">18:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I vote for #1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:47" class="time">18:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">sure, I like it, too</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:48" class="time">18:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> megacoder</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">I am unanimous in that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:48" class="time">18:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">Looks done to me</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:48" class="time">18:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">So are I</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:48" class="time">18:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">Now we are targeting 7 seats, when will we have the election?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:49" class="time">18:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:49"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid looks at a calendar</td><td><a href="#t18:49" class="time">18:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">abadger1999: If you're still around, what's required to get this thing activated?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:49" class="time">18:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">weekend after fudcon?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:49" class="time">18:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">he just give him the list of candidates and the # of open seats</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:49" class="time">18:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Just information.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:49" class="time">18:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> megacoder</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">Where can I get matching campaign funds?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:49" class="time">18:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah, I think we need FUDCon for publicity :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:49" class="time">18:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">megacoder: here's some</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:49" class="time">18:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">howmant votes does each contributor have?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:50" class="time">18:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Yeah, plus it would be awkward if we all showed up there as unelected people in event of a coup</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:50" class="time">18:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Send to me the list of candidates (preferably account system usernames, but I can get it from any information in the account sys: email, irc nick if there, real name, etc)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:50" class="time">18:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">megacoder: Rule says, you get 15 times your Fedora salary</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:50" class="time">18:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> megacoder</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">stickster, wfm</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:50" class="time">18:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">See Max for a check</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:50" class="time">18:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">The start and end dates (I'll make them start and end at midnight UTC.)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:50" class="time">18:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">BobJensen: one vote for each seat?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:50" class="time">18:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">How many seats.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:51" class="time">18:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">abadger1999: Does the voting app use the new range voting technique?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:51" class="time">18:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">quaid: that seems extreme and would be a problem if we only have 7 candiates</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:51" class="time">18:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'm out of my depth with voting theory</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:51" class="time">18:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">No.  If you want that, you have to wait.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:52" class="time">18:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Ah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:52" class="time">18:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Well then, one vote per seat then :-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:52" class="time">18:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:52"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster does not want to wait</td><td><a href="#t18:52" class="time">18:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">quaid: If we have 7 seats and 4 votes  it will allow us to have some numbers of variance</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:52" class="time">18:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">BobJensen: I don't think looking for variance is important</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:53" class="time">18:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">You do not have to cast every vote that you're allowed, though.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:53" class="time">18:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">stickster: as long as we have more than 7 people committed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:53" class="time">18:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I could only vote for two people even if there's four open seats.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:53" class="time">18:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">how about ... "Up to 7 votes, one per seat, vote as many as you feel"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:53" class="time">18:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">OK</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:53" class="time">18:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">That's how the app works IIRC</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:53" class="time">18:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> megacoder</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">Yeah, that should prevent any hanging chads.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:54" class="time">18:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">I can live with that, not like we have a lot of choices</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:54" class="time">18:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">if there is 100% vote:seat, then it's SEP </td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:54" class="time">18:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Somebody Else's Problem</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:54" class="time">18:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">i.e., the next board figures out how to come up with the three seats for the next election.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:54" class="time">18:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">OK so if we are going this way we need to have a way to get the 3 for the next election in the case of a 7 way tie</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:54" class="time">18:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">Pass the buck?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:55" class="time">18:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yep</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:55" class="time">18:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">that works</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:55" class="time">18:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">pass the buck</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:55" class="time">18:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">yup</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:55" class="time">18:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">Looks like we have it all figured out</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:56" class="time">18:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">   February 2007</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:56" class="time">18:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:56" class="time">18:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">             1  2  3</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:56" class="time">18:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> 4  5  6  7  8  9 10</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:56" class="time">18:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">11 12 13 14 15 16 17</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:56" class="time">18:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">18 19 20 21 22 23 24</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:56" class="time">18:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">25 26 27 28</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:56" class="time">18:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">how long should voting be open?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:57" class="time">18:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">One week</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:57" class="time">18:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> megacoder</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">1 week</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:57" class="time">18:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">abadger1999: is that right/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:57" class="time">18:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">Start clean, have 4 seats "1 year" and 3 seats "6 mons", the three with the lowest number of votes are the 6 months, in the case of a tie the new board sets the rule</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:57" class="time">18:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">10days</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:57" class="time">18:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">1st - 10th</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:57" class="time">18:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">one week?  It's up to you.  FESCo made it so there were two weekends of voting.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:58" class="time">18:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> megacoder</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">Yeah, 10 days, just in case someone is off on vacation or TDY.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:58" class="time">18:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">2 through 12</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:58" class="time">18:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:58" class="time">18:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">quaid: +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:58" class="time">18:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Extra weekday on the end there</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:58" class="time">18:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t18:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">opens on FUDCon and ends the second Monday following</td><td class="time"><a href="#t18:58" class="time">18:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:01"><td class="action" colspan="2">* EvilBob goes to find "Vote for EvilBob" buttons to order online</td><td><a href="#t19:01" class="time">19:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Bring them to FudCon ;-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:01" class="time">19:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:01" class="time">19:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wow, that was a nice long discussion :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:01" class="time">19:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">yeah, nice change</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:01" class="time">19:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">EvilBob: You should have two different and opposite-colored buttons, "Vote for EvilBob" and "Vote for BobJensen"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:02" class="time">19:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">You could get twice as many votes that way</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:03" class="time">19:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">LOL</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:03" class="time">19:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, the other item about meeting time and such</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:04" class="time">19:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">I think one of my customers makes buttons</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:04" class="time">19:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we can just table that until we have a new committe to wrangle out new timing needs</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:04" class="time">19:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:04" class="time">19:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">quaid: Yes I agree</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:04" class="time">19:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">FWIW, there are 89 people in the cvsdocs group so that's your pool of voters.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:05" class="time">19:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hmm</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:05" class="time">19:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">abadger1999: and how many will be at fudcon so I know how many buttons to bring? LOL</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:06" class="time">19:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">how big is cvsextras?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:06" class="time">19:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">quaid: not a lot more IIRC</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:06" class="time">19:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">abadger1999: btw, can you do 1+ groups to draw from? i.e., if we wanted to add e.g. ambassadors or cvsextras?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:06" class="time">19:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Hmm... That was a plan that I had.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:07" class="time">19:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, no worries</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:07" class="time">19:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">If the script doesn't presently do it, I can adapt it pretty easily.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:07" class="time">19:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">just curious, not sure who else we'd open to</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:07" class="time">19:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">quaid: trans maybe?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:07" class="time">19:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">254 in cvsextras</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:08" class="time">19:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">quaid: however I agree with what was said today that we need to eliminate the seperation</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:08" class="time">19:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah, I like that pool of voters bigger</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:09" class="time">19:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">ambassadors has 151</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:10" class="time">19:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, we got what we got</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:11" class="time">19:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anything else for today?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:11" class="time">19:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">AOB?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:11" class="time">19:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">FUDCon Hackfest?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:12" class="time">19:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">stickster suggested we tackle Documentation Guide and tools at that time, trying to sucker in some others to play with tools.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:12" class="time">19:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">What are we doing if anything? What's the plan?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:12" class="time">19:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:12" class="time">19:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">See the page I helpfully set up</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:12" class="time">19:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">BobJensen: (I think the translation teams are still on elvis => RH box with a separate account system.)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:12" class="time">19:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">abadger1999: yes, correct</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:13" class="time">19:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">abadger1999: Yes I know</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:13" class="time">19:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"><a href="http://barcamp.org/FudconBoston2007HackFestDocs">http://barcamp.org/FudconBoston2007HackFestDocs</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:13" class="time">19:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">stickster: Sweet</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:13" class="time">19:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">stickster: the Sonars are planing on driving up From Virginia Beach</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:14" class="time">19:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">do we get to invite our own people?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:14" class="time">19:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">or is that a Max list?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:14" class="time">19:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">like, megacoder </td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:14" class="time">19:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Talk to Greg I think</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:14" class="time">19:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">stickster: I have not added thier names to the list for Greg yet</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:14" class="time">19:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I'm not sure if Fedora is paying for anyone other than those who have been invited already</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:15" class="time">19:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">But that is because I have no idea</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:15" class="time">19:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Only Greg knows right now</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:16" class="time">19:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Oh wait, that might not be true..</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:16" class="time">19:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> megacoder</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">Bribes happily accepted but not excepted</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:16" class="time">19:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I see that Jon Steffan will be coming... See #3 on my hackfest list :-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:17" class="time">19:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:18"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- jassy [n=jsingh 202 41 228 162]  has joined #fedora-docs</td><td><a href="#t19:18" class="time">19:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">stickster: Yup</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:18" class="time">19:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">stickster: I need to talk to Greg about some funding there</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:18" class="time">19:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">stickster: well for me also</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:18" class="time">19:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">is the meeting over then?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:19" class="time">19:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">or do we have ANOTHER 40 minutes?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:19" class="time">19:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">heh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:19" class="time">19:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">lol</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:19" class="time">19:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Someone call it please!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:19" class="time">19:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">10 sec?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:19" class="time">19:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">this is what I was doing last weekend <a href="http://s9.photobucket.com/albums/a51/deride/icerace07/?action=view&current=mattsideways.jpg">http://s9.photobucket.com/albums/a51/deride/icerace07/?action=view&current=mattsideways.jpg</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:19" class="time">19:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">5 sec</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:20" class="time">19:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">4</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:20" class="time">19:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">3</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:20" class="time">19:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">2</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:20" class="time">19:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:20" class="time">19:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> megacoder</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">Time of death is 19>20</td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:20" class="time">19:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t19:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"></meeting></td><td class="time"><a href="#t19:20" class="time">19:20</a></td></tr>
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