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<h1>IRC Log of FDSCo Meeting (18 March 2007)</h1>

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<tr id="t09:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><meeting></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:01" class="time">09:01</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Agenda: <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/MeetingAgenda">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/MeetingAgenda</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:01" class="time">09:01</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">:)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:01" class="time">09:01</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Good $TIMEOFDAY, everyone</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:02" class="time">09:02</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">First up: GSoC</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:02" class="time">09:02</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">lots of new energy there this week :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:02" class="time">09:02</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SummerOfCode">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SummerOfCode</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:03" class="time">09:03</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yep</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:03" class="time">09:03</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Quoting from 2 hours ago:</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:03" class="time">09:03</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">KillerX I'm interested in applying for the docbook to PDF converter project :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:03" class="time">09:03</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:03"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid saw that confab</td><td><a href="#t09:03" class="time">09:03</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Yup, may have a sucker^Wtaker</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:03" class="time">09:03</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">KillerX So I'll whip up a proposal and get back to you then</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:03" class="time">09:03</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, yeah, rather than back to us, its really, back to the proposal process via code.google.com</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:03" class="time">09:03</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, how about crafting a proposal for L10N WUI?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:04" class="time">09:04</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">mmcgrath also thought it would be a good idea</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:04" class="time">09:04</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, but same question I have about timing.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:04" class="time">09:04</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">August seems pretty late</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:04" class="time">09:04</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:04"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid looks at Releases/8/Schedule</td><td><a href="#t09:04" class="time">09:04</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Here's KillerX's web site: <a href="http://anant.wordpress.com/">http://anant.wordpress.com/</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:04" class="time">09:04</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">see, the problem is ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:05" class="time">09:05</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">if you go 6 mon. forward from current string freeze (which is tomorrow)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:05" class="time">09:05</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that makes string freeze Sep.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:05" class="time">09:05</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that is awfully close, isn't it?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:05" class="time">09:05</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, well, we can start with a WUI for statistics (fairly easy) and stage 2 could be the remotely-hosted-PO-thing</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:06" class="time">09:06</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: We could raise that with RelEng and craft a time buffer into the next cycle</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:06" class="time">09:06</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Slips happen, and all</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:06" class="time">09:06</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">time buffer++</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:06" class="time">09:06</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Do we have any other stuff we'd like to craft as GSoC proposals?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:07" class="time">09:07</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:07"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster notes that string freeze will likely be Tuesday instead</td><td><a href="#t09:07" class="time">09:07</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">so we've got 3 bounties which have something to do with docs</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:07" class="time">09:07</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">For example, say, a Web frontend for DocBook+CVS in Python?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:08" class="time">09:08</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Ie. port of <a href="http://doc-book.sourceforge.net/homepage/">http://doc-book.sourceforge.net/homepage/</a> to Python</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:08" class="time">09:08</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">just throwing ideas here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:08" class="time">09:08</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:08"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid doesn't want to port that one, but knows what you mean</td><td><a href="#t09:08" class="time">09:08</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraBounties">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraBounties</a> is the place</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:08" class="time">09:08</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yes, it is the place</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:08" class="time">09:08</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Once again, I think that hiding that in Plone code would be ideal</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:09" class="time">09:09</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Once again, I think that having Plone folks would be ideal++</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:09" class="time">09:09</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">stickster, well, port to Python/Plone then</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:09" class="time">09:09</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">aye Plone++</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:09" class="time">09:09</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">heh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:09" class="time">09:09</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:10"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster still thinks we need some expert opinion on using ReST/docutils for easy writing and better portability to DocBook</td><td><a href="#t09:10" class="time">09:10</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">There are 800 positions for students.. I guess crafting proposals that will not certainly be used by us doesn't hurt that much</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:10" class="time">09:10</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Wow, that's a load of positions</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:11" class="time">09:11</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">OK, so glezos, you want to draft a proposal then? Is there any time left for the students to see it and apply by deadline?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:12" class="time">09:12</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">< 1 week?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:12" class="time">09:12</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">six days</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:12" class="time">09:12</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I need to do the same for the Plone install</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:12" class="time">09:12</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">does that count as a student project?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:12" class="time">09:12</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">dunno.. I could write one I guess</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:12" class="time">09:12</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Hmm</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:12" class="time">09:12</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">i.e., there isn't much code in a Plone install</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:12" class="time">09:12</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">right</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:13" class="time">09:13</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Plone module for interaction with SCM/DocBook though...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:13" class="time">09:13</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Whether using ReST go-between or not...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:13" class="time">09:13</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">mspevack_out threw up a request for Plone help internally, and the best so far is a team that just wrangled an install, but they seem to be offering "answers to questions" v. actual task-doing.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:13" class="time">09:13</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">understood</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:14" class="time">09:14</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, maybe dubbing it "Make Plone a publishing platform" and include stuff like the one stickster just mentioned</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:14" class="time">09:14</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ah, plone module, ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:14" class="time">09:14</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">If you asked me what the scope of that work is, I couldn't begin to tell you.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:14" class="time">09:14</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I want to get myself to some Plone training but don't see it happening any time soon.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:15" class="time">09:15</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">Morning All</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:15" class="time">09:15</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">Sorry I over slept</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:15" class="time">09:15</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">we should get a Plone.org guy doing a GSoC for us :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:16" class="time">09:16</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Hi Bob</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:16" class="time">09:16</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">GSoC, damaestro is interested in doing one</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:16" class="time">09:16</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">alas, the deadline is very very soon</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:16" class="time">09:16</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">OK, before we get too off-track, maybe we should set the action items for this and move on</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:16" class="time">09:16</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">A plone item would be right up his alley</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:16" class="time">09:16</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:17" class="time">09:17</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that might do it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:17" class="time">09:17</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'll write up the plone thing</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:17" class="time">09:17</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">suggestion: Notify Anant to let him know where to send proposal</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:17" class="time">09:17</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">glezos if you can post up a first pass at the l10n wui</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:17" class="time">09:17</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, I think you have a clearer idea for it.. :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:18" class="time">09:18</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">how did KillerX find us here and not find the Google page?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:18" class="time">09:18</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I can expand on it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:18" class="time">09:18</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">glezos: oh :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:18" class="time">09:18</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:18" class="time">09:18</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">no idea :-D</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:18" class="time">09:18</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'll put up first passes at both, then</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:18" class="time">09:18</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, thanks.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:18" class="time">09:18</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">ok, who's mentoring or wants to help mentoring?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:18" class="time">09:18</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I can mentor for L10N WUI</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:19" class="time">09:19</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">looks like anant.wordpress.org has links to SoC site already, I reckon we don't need to contact him wit hthat</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:19" class="time">09:19</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">glezos: /me can co-mentor on that one</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:19" class="time">09:19</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">how can we make sure the applicants indeed take it seriously and will walk it through?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:20" class="time">09:20</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">basicly the money does it all :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:20" class="time">09:20</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: Good point, /me needs to read more</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:20" class="time">09:20</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">anyone want to take the PDF conversion?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:21" class="time">09:21</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I can't commit for any mentoring this summer, my schedule is more than spoken for at this point :-\</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:22" class="time">09:22</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I'm happy to drop in and advise ad-hoc anytime though</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:22" class="time">09:22</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hmm</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:22" class="time">09:22</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">"asst. mentor"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:22" class="time">09:22</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I was looking to step back a bit and give others a chance to mentor</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:22" class="time">09:22</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">maybe we can co-mentor on the Plone one and I'll catch all the slack</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:23" class="time">09:23</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Guys, we need to get quaid out of doing every task. I wish I could do more but I can't commit more time until probably around July.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">I am willing to co-mentor however It would not be right to Mentor Damaestro because of our other working relationship</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Oh, do you employ him on the side? Like $$$?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">or maybe just 1 $  :-D</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">is there no chance any older FDSCo members to help out?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we'll have to ask</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">stickster: something like that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we can proceed and work out the mentoring as we go, too</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">sure</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">stickster: he is a resource in my business I will put it that way</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I see</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Shall we move on?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:26" class="time">09:26</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">k</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:26" class="time">09:26</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I should mention that mmcgrath might be interested in co-mentoring the L10N WUI too (the multi-repository thing anyway).</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:26" class="time">09:26</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">docs.fedoraproject.org</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, any comments/updates?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a></td></tr>

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<tr id="t09:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">you know ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:28" class="time">09:28</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Hmm, mmcgrath as mentor -- great way to ensure things are Done Right</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:28" class="time">09:28</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">s/mentor/co-mentor/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:28" class="time">09:28</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'm unclear, sorry, if when we tag LIVE in CVS which site it is going to</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:29" class="time">09:29</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I've asked mmcgrath but I haven't noticed his response :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:29" class="time">09:29</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: I haven't tried it lately to see</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:29" class="time">09:29</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we need the LIVE tagging to affect docs.fp.o now</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:29" class="time">09:29</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so we can reorganize that side</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:30" class="time">09:30</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">iirc, it's still only going to f.r.c</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:30" class="time">09:30</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Does Mike know where that CVS=>Web glue is on f.r.c?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:30" class="time">09:30</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:30"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid posted a change last week, looks</td><td><a href="#t09:30" class="time">09:30</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">he does</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:30" class="time">09:30</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I know it's pretty late, but I'd like once more to raise the issue of doing it under fp.org/docs/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, that change went to fr.c</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">glezos: FI said it would be easier to handle a sub-domain</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and we want one URL, right?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">yup</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and there is an existing trend in the project to use name.fp.org</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hosted.fp.org, cvs.fp.o, git.fp.org, etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:32" class="time">09:32</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: What was your change?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:32" class="time">09:32</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">nm</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:32" class="time">09:32</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/developers-guide/s1-ui-gnome-guidelines.html">http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/developers-guide/s1-ui-gnome-guidelines.html</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:33" class="time">09:33</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">if plone comes, it will be under fp.org/. If we then decide to integrate docs in there, we'd do it at fp.org/docs/, right? </td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:33" class="time">09:33</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wrapped HIG citetitle with a url</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:33" class="time">09:33</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">glezos: nope</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:33" class="time">09:33</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">glezos: that is our choice, right?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:33" class="time">09:33</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, ok.. I'm just trying to make sure we won't have to make redirects in the future.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:33" class="time">09:33</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, we likely want to redirect from /docs </td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:34" class="time">09:34</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">ok.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:34" class="time">09:34</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">with Plone we could have fp.org/docs which collects links to docs.fp.org</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:34" class="time">09:34</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">let's put it this way ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:34" class="time">09:34</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we can still debate this, if we want</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:34" class="time">09:34</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> I'm not locked in anything</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:34" class="time">09:34</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and yes this is the best/last chance, I think</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:34" class="time">09:34</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">But if FI has reasons why they want it docs.fp.o, argue it there</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:35" class="time">09:35</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">mike said we can do it any way we want, but the sub-dmain was "easier" or "better" I disrecall which</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:35" class="time">09:35</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but it is up to us what we want</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:35" class="time">09:35</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I haven't observed us really caring one way or the other, so we yield to FI</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:35" class="time">09:35</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">As long as Google leads readers to the good stuff</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, I don't have a preference. Only to not have to change it in the future.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">We shouldn't have to, I would think.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">mod_rewrite makes everything OK, yes?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">stickster, well.. not exactly. Cookies might have a problem for subdomains for example.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:37" class="time">09:37</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">That only depends on our giving them out properly, though, right?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:37" class="time">09:37</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">My only reservation is that subdomains are usually totally separate systems or software. They serve completely different functionality. But sure, with mod_rewrites you can get it all done.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:37" class="time">09:37</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:37" class="time">09:37</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Again, this is for an FI argument. As a Doc'er, I totally don't care.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:37" class="time">09:37</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">OK, let's move on. I don't want to delay discussions. I will talk it up with mmcgrath to make sure.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:38" class="time">09:38</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">I would suggest our plone work happen under fp.o</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:38" class="time">09:38</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">use docs.fp.o for published xml results</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:38" class="time">09:38</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yet docs.fp.o is going to be a plone front-end</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:39" class="time">09:39</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that is, it will be a virtual folder or something, right?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:39" class="time">09:39</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, no idea.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:39" class="time">09:39</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">I would think that d.fp.o would be static only</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:40" class="time">09:40</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I disagree, I see GNOME using subdomains for working projects</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:40" class="time">09:40</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">And they're using Plone AIUI</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:40" class="time">09:40</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:41"><td class="action" colspan="2">* glezos is OK with both ways.</td><td><a href="#t09:41" class="time">09:41</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">shall we move on?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:42" class="time">09:42</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">EvilBob: I think static is orthogonal in this case; yes static output, but it should be put in that location by plone via workflow</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:42" class="time">09:42</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:42" class="time">09:42</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I guess I'm not done</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:42" class="time">09:42</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">heh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:42" class="time">09:42</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I want to get a "litmus test" here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:42" class="time">09:42</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Red Hat IS 'recommends' that we just redirect from f.r.c/* to fp.org and let people find what they want from there</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:42" class="time">09:42</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">this is because they maintain a >1000 line set of redirects around redhat.com and say it is crazy-making</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:43" class="time">09:43</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so, mmcgrath and I discussed and we recommend a mod_rewrite rule</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:43" class="time">09:43</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that will preserve the post / content and let us parse it on the Fedora side (so no hassle to RH IS any more)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:43" class="time">09:43</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, sounds rational.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:44" class="time">09:44</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so, this is still in negotiation, afaict; since we don't get to tell them what to do but only ask, we can't be sure how things are going to land.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:44" class="time">09:44</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so there is a chance it will be the first</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:44" class="time">09:44</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that is, all redirect to front page, start googlejuice from scratch, etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:44" class="time">09:44</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">NOTE: there are issues when using multiple domains and subdomains in plone</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:44" class="time">09:44</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">my assumption is that this is bad from a user experience, but I want to hear from ya'll</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:44" class="time">09:44</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">EvilBob: what about subdomains in one domain/.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:45" class="time">09:45</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:45" class="time">09:45</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">that is what I was trying to make clear and failed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:45" class="time">09:45</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">EvilBob: meaning, subs in one domain should be OK, but across multiple domains is crazy?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:45" class="time">09:45</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">quaid: each (sub)domain requires a swperate plone instance</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:45" class="time">09:45</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">errr instance is the wrong word</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:46" class="time">09:46</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">testing.fu.o is not the same plone site as fu.o for example</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:46" class="time">09:46</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Can't it be, if you mod_rewrite from Apache as the front end?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:47" class="time">09:47</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Unfortunately, it is not uncommon for a software system to choke with subdomains.. That's why usually they are intended for different systems (bugzilla, cvs-frontend, web content). Heck, even web designers have problems (grabbing images with relative paths)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:47" class="time">09:47</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">each and every one of the unity sites are separate</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:47" class="time">09:47</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">We can further discuss this on the mailing list CCed with -infrastructure.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:48" class="time">09:48</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">how a bout just on f-i-l?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">glezos++</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Oops, I'm not on f-i-l</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">since it's really a technical issue</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">we have hacked together a system that shares the user accounts but the content is completely separate and you need to login when changing name space</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">stickster: :D</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">EvilBob: ok, great point, thanks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:49"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster refuses to join another mailing list until he drops at least two</td><td><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">:-d</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">:-d</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">stickster: i've got some suggestions ... :D</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">aw, hell with it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">heh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">awright, trans update</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">is that me?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:50" class="time">09:50</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:50"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid guesses so</td><td><a href="#t09:50" class="time">09:50</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">hmm no it's glezos  :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:51" class="time">09:51</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">oh, good</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:51" class="time">09:51</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">except I guess I have something to report to him :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:51" class="time">09:51</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">then go on :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:51" class="time">09:51</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">um</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:51" class="time">09:51</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">well, I tried GNOME's Damned Lies interface</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:51" class="time">09:51</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">on Friday i talked with mmcgrath and poelcat (John Poelstra); poelcat is now looking into the feasibility of him being a facilitator within Red hat for those parts</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:51" class="time">09:51</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Which seems to have future. I contacted it's maintainer and he said he's willing to help out in porting (it's already well written and supoprts modules etc)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:52" class="time">09:52</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">meaning we'd need to PM the Fedora side ourselves</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:52" class="time">09:52</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">The second part of L10N WUI that quaid and I are thinking is make it possible to serve remotely-hosted POs (ie act as a SCM client)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:52" class="time">09:52</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">See: <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/RFR/L10nCVSandUI">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/RFR/L10nCVSandUI</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:53" class="time">09:53</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:53"><td class="action" colspan="2">* EvilBob is away (phone)</td><td><a href="#t09:53" class="time">09:53</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Sonar_Gal, if we find a student to investigate these two for GSoC we'd be perfect.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:53" class="time">09:53</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">poor Sonar_Gal</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:53" class="time">09:53</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">agr. So, So, *So*</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:53" class="time">09:53</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">We could also write them as two different proposals, right?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:54" class="time">09:54</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">11 min/me reads</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:55" class="time">09:55</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">oops, I mean:</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:55" class="time">09:55</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">me reads</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:55" class="time">09:55</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">from what I was reporting, a different twist has come up that I think we should address/decide upon</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:56" class="time">09:56</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but I'm unclear if it is ours to decide :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:56" class="time">09:56</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so maybe a step back ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:56" class="time">09:56</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">do we feel we have enough representation from all the involved communities?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:56" class="time">09:56</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">to form a short-term SIG so we can vote/decide on stuff.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:56" class="time">09:56</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">having couf and glezos here helps, but we should probably reach out for some more input, yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:57" class="time">09:57</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">in that I don't think this is really FDSCo's to decide ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:57" class="time">09:57</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">hmm, good question, sig++ both involvment: not that much imo</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:57" class="time">09:57</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, so here is the ponderable ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:57" class="time">09:57</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">s/both/but</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:57" class="time">09:57</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">poelcat is checking on a possible resource offer from the group that 'owns' elvis.rh.c internally</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:57" class="time">09:57</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">not knowing yet what that means ... I want to figure out what parameters we have for accepting such help/.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:58" class="time">09:58</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">for example, here are two ways I could see help coming:</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:58" class="time">09:58</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">i. Help comes to work within the community on a joint solution; sharing of resources; Fedora/RHEL model, etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:58" class="time">09:58</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ii. Help comes to "fix" problems in elvis.rh.c, and keeps all their work and processes internal until they are ready for us to start testing externally</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:59" class="time">09:59</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">would we want help in both of those cases?  or only in i)?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:59" class="time">09:59</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">only i.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:59" class="time">09:59</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t09:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">only i</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:59" class="time">09:59</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I share this feeling :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:00" class="time">10:00</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:00" class="time">10:00</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">the problem is I don't speak the 100+ languages of our trans community</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:00" class="time">10:00</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, I'm for i too, and AFAICT, mspevack shares this opinion.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:00" class="time">10:00</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and what if 80% of them want "big Daddy Red hat" to take care of this for them, and they don't care</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:00" class="time">10:00</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">(ie bring Fedora-affected systems & processes to the community space)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:01" class="time">10:01</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">hmm, I'm noticing a change of attitude towards this on the trans-list, people are stepping up</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:01" class="time">10:01</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'm concerned that we are acting from a perceived opinion, that is, we perceive that the rest of the l10n community shares our opinion, when we can't directly know that because of lang and cultural differences</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:01" class="time">10:01</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">and are feeling things have to change</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:01" class="time">10:01</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, I'll make that clear enough: 99% of the L10N community does translations for Fedora, not RHEL.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:01" class="time">10:01</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yes, but does "vocal" == "majority"?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:02" class="time">10:02</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">glezos: :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:02" class="time">10:02</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">quaid: fair enough</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:02" class="time">10:02</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">We want to avoid disenfranchising folks, especially since it could affect overall Fedora l10n</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:02" class="time">10:02</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">But FOSS has always been about taking ownership/responsibility for doing things</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:03" class="time">10:03</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:03" class="time">10:03</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">stickster, certainly. But we need to be able to do our jobs. We want to do much more than what elvis can provide and we are willing to do them quickly.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:03" class="time">10:03</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">We could take a better quality, lower drag poll, I suppose</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:03" class="time">10:03</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">the big problem is that not everyone is on the list, and looks at it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:03" class="time">10:03</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">right</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:03" class="time">10:03</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">If people don't have to write an email to the list, we may get more responses.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:03" class="time">10:03</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">sure, there's that as ewll.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:03" class="time">10:03</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">s/ewll/well/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:03" class="time">10:03</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and the thing is ... the translators who work for RH are on many sub-lists and they could tell us, but what would they tell us?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:03" class="time">10:03</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:04"><td class="action" colspan="2">* EvilBob is off the phone</td><td><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">I need to run, buddy is broke down....</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, I guess the point is not really moot</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">EvilBob: cheers</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">My goal for L10N WUI is for it to support upstream translations. If this works, then RH could use it for any project it likes.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">in that Fedora leadership doesn't want systems that happen behind doors for us to "benefit" from</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we have taken the lesser-quality-for-now because it is open stance</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:05" class="time">10:05</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">glezos: +1 we could do this the right way, for sure</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:05" class="time">10:05</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">We can attract more interest and participation by simply starting the gears turning</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:05" class="time">10:05</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, I just wanted to be sure we all agreed oon this direction, and my thinking was sound.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:05" class="time">10:05</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:06"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster wants to make sure someone keeps in the back of their head that we would like to connect this, as well, to Plone in the far-flung future if at all possible</td><td><a href="#t10:06" class="time">10:06</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Ideally, this shift towards the community space will benefit all of us. So, I see the best thing would be for RH L10N team to help materialize our vision, just like the Merge.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:06" class="time">10:06</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">glezos: I saw you wondering about "does scml10n need to sign the GPG" and I can't see any way around it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:06" class="time">10:06</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KarstenWade/Drafts/CLAAcceptanceHierarchies#preview">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KarstenWade/Drafts/CLAAcceptanceHierarchies#preview</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:06" class="time">10:06</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">glezos: Right.  The reason that has worked out so well is that people Just Did It.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:06" class="time">10:06</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">the proposal there is clear -- once in SCM, the risk is higher, etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:06" class="time">10:06</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Extras is the biggest success story in Fedora</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:07" class="time">10:07</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">yeah certainly CLA for cvsl10n</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:07" class="time">10:07</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">note that ... Fedora didn't do the best internal marketing job around the mere</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:07" class="time">10:07</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: CLA++</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:07" class="time">10:07</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">merge</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:07" class="time">10:07</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, right now they don't have to sign the CLA for i18n.redhat.com.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:07" class="time">10:07</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and we are trying to avoid stepping in that bear trap</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:07" class="time">10:07</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">glezos: yes, I know; they should have; IMNSHO that was a big mistake</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:07" class="time">10:07</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: I'm not so sure that it was a bad job... but I don't see the internal lists. ;-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:07" class="time">10:07</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">glezos: CLA was concieved after i18n</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:07" class="time">10:07</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we are shipping lots of content we don't have a clear right to use, unless there is something in i18n I don't get</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:08" class="time">10:08</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">There hasn't been much public grumbling, and what there was of it was mostly due to misunderstandings and people entrenching for no good reason.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:08" class="time">10:08</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, there is an alternative. Give the option through the WUI for a person to submit a translation and the language maintainer has to approve/commit it.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:08" class="time">10:08</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">glezos: sure</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:08" class="time">10:08</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">glezos: that's like the Wiki model</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:08" class="time">10:08</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">QA is realy needed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:08" class="time">10:08</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">they still need to agree to something when submitting that is essentially the CLA :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:09" class="time">10:09</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that is, the WikiLicense is really the CLA + OPL</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:09" class="time">10:09</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">OK. Once we have a prototype WUI we can figure more complex stuff then.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:09" class="time">10:09</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">This all comes back to the click-through, waiting on Legal.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:09" class="time">10:09</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I think it is a big mistake to ever debate if a contribution "should" be under the CLA</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:09" class="time">10:09</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">when an Ambassador makes a speach, it's a contribution, needs to be covered, etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:10" class="time">10:10</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">stickster: working on that one :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:10" class="time">10:10</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">my "PlainEnglishCLA" did offend, which I was afraid of :), and got justly shot-down</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:10" class="time">10:10</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, let's just say that the actual committer takes responsibility for the submitted contributions. I think these are slightly minor issues.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:10" class="time">10:10</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Careful with extending the license agreement to vocal speech</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:10" class="time">10:10</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:10"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid had called it "HumanSpeakCLA" but changed that to not offend the lawyers</td><td><a href="#t10:10" class="time">10:10</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">lol</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">glezos: good point, like bugzilla; minor point</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I think you'd find a lot of trouble in that.  If it's a written presentation that's held somewhere or committed to paper, sure... but speech is not generally licensed :-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">stickster: yes, I mean, written and put on wiki</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">or whatever</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">heh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">ok, +1 that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I just mean, don't try to classify what is or is not a contribution</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">:)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">right</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:12" class="time">10:12</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">rather classify what is the risk in taking that contribution</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:12" class="time">10:12</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">If it goes in, it has to be covered, period.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:12" class="time">10:12</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">If we hold on to it, it has to be covered.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:12" class="time">10:12</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and applyu CLA difficulties by risk levels</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:12" class="time">10:12</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">submit via bugzilla or ml as a patch, low risk, etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:12" class="time">10:12</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, we've beaten on this one enough?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:12" class="time">10:12</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">guess so</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:13" class="time">10:13</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'll let you know what poelcat says</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:13" class="time">10:13</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but we're essentially on our own on the Fedora side</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:13" class="time">10:13</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">yay</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:13" class="time">10:13</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and we're seeking clarity on what "don't break our system" means so we can achieve or reject that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:13" class="time">10:13</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">OK, so back to agenda then... wiki reorg ==> couf</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:14" class="time">10:14</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">yes?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:14" class="time">10:14</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">all right</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:14" class="time">10:14</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">everyone has seen it, and approved right?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:14" class="time">10:14</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144"><a href="http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-March/msg00039.html">http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-March/msg00039.html</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:15" class="time">10:15</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Yes, with comments as posted earlier</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:16" class="time">10:16</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I'm just looking for the best way to get this started</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:16" class="time">10:16</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:16"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid admits to not having dived into that one</td><td><a href="#t10:16" class="time">10:16</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">i) get an wiki from FI (RFR)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:16" class="time">10:16</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">couf, write a wiki page with the structure as bullets?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:16" class="time">10:16</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">ii) personal wiki-userspace</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:17" class="time">10:17</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">iii) just dive in</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:17" class="time">10:17</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I'd vote for iii)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:17" class="time">10:17</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">iii)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:17" class="time">10:17</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">fine with me</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:18" class="time">10:18</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">couf: See how much you can do by only reorganizing, and cutting, pages</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:18" class="time">10:18</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Rather than writing *more*</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:18" class="time">10:18</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">right on, I'm planning on doing this in the next two weeks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:18" class="time">10:18</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">stickster: I'm going for less rather than more</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:18" class="time">10:18</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">We can always hand-craft later as needed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:19" class="time">10:19</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yes, odds are, what we need is there, and needs to be trimmed and combined</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:19" class="time">10:19</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">hoo-rah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:19" class="time">10:19</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">couf: Anything else you need before starting?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:20" class="time">10:20</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">hmm, not really, I'm gonna setup a template this week</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:20" class="time">10:20</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ref. Docs/Drafts => DocsProject/Drafts ... I think we want to keep those in Docs/ because we want people to 'beta test' them</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:20" class="time">10:20</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Yeah, I think someone mentioned that on the list... hmmm, lemmesee</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:21" class="time">10:21</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">yeah I got that one :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:21" class="time">10:21</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, good</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:21" class="time">10:21</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:21"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid missed that, just read through the thread</td><td><a href="#t10:21" class="time">10:21</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">coo'</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:21" class="time">10:21</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">otherwise it sounds great to me, and I'll help wherever I can as we proceed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:21" class="time">10:21</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:22"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster notes, moving up on 90 minutes, meeting red alert!</td><td><a href="#t10:22" class="time">10:22</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">okay guys, in two weeks the project-wiki will be totaly different :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:22" class="time">10:22</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">cool</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:22" class="time">10:22</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">let's move on then :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:22" class="time">10:22</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">OK, PDF</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:22" class="time">10:22</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Last item on list is PDF</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:22" class="time">10:22</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">next subject: PDF guides. Should we bother going after them *now* or wait for F7 to make them through the tolchain?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:23" class="time">10:23</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I would rather do this right (and leverage GSoC) than do it twice</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:23" class="time">10:23</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">stickster, we could get F7 IG in PDF with cups-pdf with a couple of clicks..</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:24" class="time">10:24</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:24"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster has yet to see a stunning argument for PDF production other than allowing people to print something prettier than HTML, which isn't necessarily in our interests...</td><td><a href="#t10:24" class="time">10:24</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:24"><td class="action" colspan="2">* glezos thinks PDFs will increase the popularity of our Docs</td><td><a href="#t10:24" class="time">10:24</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">We can allow users to do this now with a print CSS and save the trouble</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:24" class="time">10:24</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">people just save it on their Desktops for future reference for example...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:25" class="time">10:25</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">In the web includes: "Print me!"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:25" class="time">10:25</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">For future reference when? After they install?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:25" class="time">10:25</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">We want people to come back for the latest version</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:25" class="time">10:25</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it's all about different styles</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:25" class="time">10:25</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">yeah, I'm not opposed to PDF at all, just for the record</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:25" class="time">10:25</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">enough people like the PDF style for a guide, but honestly its hard to tell how much it matters</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:25" class="time">10:25</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I guess people just don't know that some HTML is very nicely printable</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:26" class="time">10:26</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I just think having to keep up with republishing manually is dreary</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:26" class="time">10:26</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">glezos: the "Print Me" button can take care of that.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:26" class="time">10:26</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">right, we should just have the "print me" link on the page and let users do it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:26" class="time">10:26</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:27"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster has printed several articles from RHM for example, to distribute to bosses and peers</td><td><a href="#t10:27" class="time">10:27</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that would be worth rebuilding docs for, yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:27" class="time">10:27</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Well, the print me button should appear courtesy of SSI's and not in our publishing process, IYAM</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:27" class="time">10:27</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">since some of them aren't even buildable but need porting to the new Makefile/tools</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:27" class="time">10:27</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">and if anyone comes up with *the* solution to PDF production, we'll handle it then</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:28" class="time">10:28</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">anyway. just thinking that people do like PDFs, not sure for what reasons though... probably the self-packed one-file-contains-everything idea</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:28" class="time">10:28</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Oh I see, you mean, "Wow, I'd even fix <XYZ> doc if it got that button slapped on it"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:28" class="time">10:28</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">For our *real* PDF's, I really want an actual to-die-for style, including stylish page markings and sidebars from admonitions.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:29" class="time">10:29</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">stickster++</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:29" class="time">10:29</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">stickster+++</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:29" class="time">10:29</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:29"><td class="action" colspan="2">* couf has to bail</td><td><a href="#t10:29" class="time">10:29</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">we've even found a name for the style... to-die-for.xsl</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:29" class="time">10:29</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">see ya (buffer rolling)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:30" class="time">10:30</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:30"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- couf is now known as couf_away</td><td><a href="#t10:30" class="time">10:30</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">heh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:30" class="time">10:30</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">bye couf</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:30" class="time">10:30</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Haven't received any emails on this: <a href="http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-March/msg00139.html">http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-March/msg00139.html</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:31" class="time">10:31</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so, can we do the SSI version?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:31" class="time">10:31</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: that depends on how we publish to docs.fp.o</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:31" class="time">10:31</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">stickster: today it is the same as f.r.c</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:31" class="time">10:31</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Right now, there's bare PHP sitting up there with nothing backing it up</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:31" class="time">10:31</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and is likely to stay that way for a while</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:31" class="time">10:31</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">So we certainly can move the includes there as well, and restyle if necessary</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:32" class="time">10:32</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Is PHP running on that host? And is it likely to?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:32" class="time">10:32</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">(if not)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:32" class="time">10:32</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">glezos: Give it a couple days, weekend work is sketchy</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:33" class="time">10:33</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I don't know how he has it set up</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:33" class="time">10:33</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">me neither</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:33" class="time">10:33</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, presumably like before</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:33" class="time">10:33</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">PHP builds static pages on the backend</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:34" class="time">10:34</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I can include the SSI wherever we want</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:34" class="time">10:34</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Yeah, I think we need the images up there too</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:34" class="time">10:34</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">And the CSS for now, so we can monkey with it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:34" class="time">10:34</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Wait... where will we access all that?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:35" class="time">10:35</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">via cvs</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:35" class="time">10:35</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Oh, I guess if he just hooks those in from the Web module in CVS the same way, should be fine</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:35" class="time">10:35</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">jinx</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:35" class="time">10:35</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yep, and I'm ready to reorganize to chop out all the non-docs from the Nav</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:35" class="time">10:35</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">OK, may have just missed those pieces then</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:35" class="time">10:35</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I can help too</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:35" class="time">10:35</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">cool</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:35" class="time">10:35</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">The "Print Me" shouldn't be too hard</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:36" class="time">10:36</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">let's first get the word that pub of LIVE is on docs.fp.o, which it appears it is not</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:36" class="time">10:36</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">We'll add a publishing bit for html-nochunks to fit into, that would be the best printable I would think</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:36" class="time">10:36</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">CSS can do very neat things.. unfortunately not everything, but OK.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:36" class="time">10:36</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> mmcgrath</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">quaid: I'll set that up today (the whole live publish)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:37" class="time">10:37</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">should we publish the meeting log? Or probably trancuate it leaving only the TODO stuff (as reminders for next week)?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:38" class="time">10:38</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Marvelous Mike makes a miraculous meeting materialization!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:39" class="time">10:39</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">mmcgrath: ok, I was just emailing f-i-l</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:39" class="time">10:39</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:39"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid cancels that</td><td><a href="#t10:39" class="time">10:39</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">glezos: both; full log with summary above</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:39" class="time">10:39</a></td></tr>

<tr id="t10:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"></meeting></td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:41" class="time">10:41</a></td></tr>

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