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<h1>FDSCo-meeting-IRClog-20070527.log</h1>
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<tr id="t09:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><meeting></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:07" class="time">09:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Agenda">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Agenda</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:07" class="time">09:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">good morning (again) all</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:07" class="time">09:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> megacoder</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">hello</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:08" class="time">09:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:08"><td class="action" colspan="2">* couf does a gang-wave</td><td><a href="#t09:08" class="time">09:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">howdy</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:08" class="time">09:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">:)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:08" class="time">09:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'll do the log/summary again today; it's been useful for me</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:08" class="time">09:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">when we get to the tasks list, we'll pick one of us to do the editing for the group</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:09" class="time">09:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">cool :-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:09" class="time">09:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">ok! :></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:09" class="time">09:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:09" class="time">09:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: for the record before we get started, sorry Luis was all mean to you this week, although I *think* it wasn't really about you :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:09" class="time">09:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I've been trying to figure out a reply ... and not sure if there is</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:09" class="time">09:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">quaid: Silence is golden :-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:10" class="time">09:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: just remember, he is about to become a lawyer, so he'll be getting his perdition on Earth without any help from us</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:10" class="time">09:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">right!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:10" class="time">09:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">moving right along ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:10" class="time">09:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">jmbuser: Lawyers are people, too.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:10" class="time">09:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">worthy of pity</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:11" class="time">09:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">capable of sin</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:11" class="time">09:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">nuff said</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:11" class="time">09:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> megacoder</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">jmbuser, that _is_ newsworthy!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:11" class="time">09:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so, to the agenda ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:11" class="time">09:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">paul, help me out ... i really want to do a final read through of the IG but haven't found time, are we "too late"?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:12" class="time">09:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: he might not be around due to wife's birthday</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:15" class="time">09:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">d'oh!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:16" class="time">09:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">sorry, i forgot that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:16" class="time">09:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:16"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid stupidly waiting for no respoonse</td><td><a href="#t09:16" class="time">09:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> megacoder</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">nak</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:17" class="time">09:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I guess he put his answers in the Agenda then</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:17" class="time">09:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">yeah, it mentions "final draft" so you'll still have time to read through, I guess</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:17" class="time">09:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">... I'll find out about that later, see what the l10n status is</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:17" class="time">09:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, next</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:18" class="time">09:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: do you want to define a final production schedule for the UG?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:18" class="time">09:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">not something set in stone, just something to work against</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:19" class="time">09:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">quaid: Sure</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:19" class="time">09:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">you could make a subpage DP/Schedule/UserGuide, for example</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:19" class="time">09:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">quaid: ok - one big deadline or phases?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:20" class="time">09:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, there have to be some phases</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:21" class="time">09:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">finished in wiki, converted to XML, finish that draft, then publish and drop for trans</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:21" class="time">09:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: but any more granular than that, it's up to you all</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:21" class="time">09:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, and I think we need the same thing for the AG</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:22" class="time">09:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but we need to take it off the regular agenda, since we are pushing it out a bit to land between releases</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:22" class="time">09:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">quaid: ok, any thoughts on a realistic date for "finished in wiki"?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:22" class="time">09:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">... since we don't have a team formalized around it, per se ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:23" class="time">09:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">jmbuser: within 2-3 weeks?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:23" class="time">09:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:23" class="time">09:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah, try two weeks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:23" class="time">09:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:23"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster drops in for a sec</td><td><a href="#t09:23" class="time">09:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">here's the thing ... we want to make it better than before, resolve as much of the bad stuff as we can</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:23" class="time">09:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">IG copy is available at my page fp.o/PaulWFrields/Drafs</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:23" class="time">09:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so I might argue for a feature-based release of the UG v. a time-based release</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">however!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">I resolved many bugs with it, but Rawhide has been difficult to test with recently</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">couf: I do end-of-month reporting in my day job...and it's end of the month, unfortunately</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">It is back today</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we don't want the kitten to die ..</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so, I reckon we set an artificial deadline </td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">re IG: didn't make any special notice to l10n but some teams are keeping up, notably "pt"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and see how much we can do in that timeframe, then call if we want to stop or continue</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">stickster: ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:25"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster ducks out again, sorry to intersperse comments</td><td><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">stickster: I'll make a point to read through ASAPso we can put it to bed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we don't want the kitten to die ..</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so, I reckon we set an artificial deadline </td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and see how much we can do in that timeframe, then call if we want to stop or continue</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">jmbuser: no problem, just an idea :-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: so, a "time based release" that is influenced by how we feel the features are close to complete</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:25"><td class="action" colspan="2">* couf needs to drop for some minutes</td><td><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so, three weeks to give you the week you need here for $DAYJOB</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:26" class="time">09:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">quaid: Sounds good</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:26" class="time">09:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I intend to do the Heavy Editing Hammer of Thor part, and I'll need a few more weeks to be able to do that anyway :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:26" class="time">09:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, then</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:26" class="time">09:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">the relnotes are good</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">all GOLD and stuff</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and looks like we'll have some zero-day updates</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I presume that means we'll update the package as well as push live to the Web</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">now ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">there is the Web-only update</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">I would like to do the common apps/desktop-specific apps approach, allowing for "include" magic to create a GNOME and KDE Live Cd edition</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t09:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">jmbuser (to wrap up the topic of FUG)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:28" class="time">09:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I think we're happy with that approach (?)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:28" class="time">09:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yes?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:28" class="time">09:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">i.e., if you choose a KDE install, it's going to install different defaults for certain things, and that is what we are documenting.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:29" class="time">09:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">quaid: Capture updates in the wiki first?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:29" class="time">09:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: for the relnotes?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:29" class="time">09:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah, that was what I was pondering here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:29" class="time">09:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yes, we need to i) diff the Wiki for the updates, ii) update the XML,and iii) publish from that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:29" class="time">09:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">hm</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">is the final iso spin already done?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">for F7 release?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:32" class="time">09:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">theoretically it should be</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:32" class="time">09:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">but from practice</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:32" class="time">09:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">... ;)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:32" class="time">09:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:33" class="time">09:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ready to move on to tasks?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:33" class="time">09:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">yeah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:33" class="time">09:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anything more on stuff to publish for F7?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:33" class="time">09:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:34"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid waits a few seconds ...</td><td><a href="#t09:34" class="time">09:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">i think i'll translate the relnotes to Polish</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:34" class="time">09:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">to be ready for the final release</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:34" class="time">09:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">but only for web version</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:34" class="time">09:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">as the iso spin is already done :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:34" class="time">09:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">eof</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:35" class="time">09:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">right</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:35" class="time">09:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">they can go into an update of fedora-release-notes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:35" class="time">09:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and people who make Live CD spins of the updated packages will get the Polish translation</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:35" class="time">09:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">hmm, indeed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">good idea :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">thx</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">so ok, i think we can go on</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">with the agenda</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:37"><td class="action" colspan="2">* couf comes back</td><td><a href="#t09:37" class="time">09:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: one thing, should we add a relnotes link on the static pages?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:38" class="time">09:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ah, good question ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:39" class="time">09:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">meaning, the static homepage that is (not docs)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:39" class="time">09:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/_/">http://fedoraproject.org/_/</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:39" class="time">09:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that is where the F-7 changes are being worked out</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:39" class="time">09:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">where would we want to put a link?  under TOOLS?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:39" class="time">09:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">hm</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:40" class="time">09:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">could be</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:40" class="time">09:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:40"><td class="action" colspan="2">* megacoder doesn't think folk should need to drill for that</td><td><a href="#t09:40" class="time">09:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">yeah tools or maybe on the same level as the "Get it now"-links</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:41" class="time">09:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">"Release Notes"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:41" class="time">09:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">btw, great work with the re-engineering of the homepage (i'm sure quaid had something to do with it too)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:41" class="time">09:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> megacoder</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">"get it now" +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:42" class="time">09:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">I have to go guys, if there is something I am needed, ask away, otherwise I'll respond to the list</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:42" class="time">09:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">hmm, Get it now would be better</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:42" class="time">09:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">than tools, i think</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:42" class="time">09:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">; </td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:42" class="time">09:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">so +1 for "Get it now"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:43" class="time">09:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">glezos: yo, good to see you around; I helped steer the monkeys, ricky zhou and mizmo did all the CSS lifting for sure</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:44" class="time">09:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'll try Get it now and we'll see how it looks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:44" class="time">09:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, that is not the same thing as Get it now, though</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:45" class="time">09:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we'll keep looking</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:45" class="time">09:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">moving along to the Tasks List ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:45" class="time">09:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Tasks">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Tasks</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:45" class="time">09:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so, that is a bug, ugly beast</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:46" class="time">09:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">s/bug/big/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:46" class="time">09:46</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t09:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">who's gonna update it?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:47" class="time">09:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">heh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:47" class="time">09:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'm going to keep working on this stuff after we close, so unless anyone else is hanging around ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:47" class="time">09:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'll just go ahead and do the edit this week</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:48" class="time">09:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">s/edit/edit and update/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:48" class="time">09:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so, ideas to make it work better ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:48" class="time">09:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">do u need help?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:48" class="time">09:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">McGiwer: yes, in that we all need to talk about what changes to make to it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:48" class="time">09:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: any way, we can do something like happend with the */Join stuff</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">make sub-pages?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">hmm</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:50" class="time">09:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">probably yeah, and keep the main tasklist very small (KISS)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:50" class="time">09:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">like .... </td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:50" class="time">09:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">as in, not scaring away people</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:50" class="time">09:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">we could create some main points</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:50" class="time">09:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">DP/Tasks/Easy ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:50" class="time">09:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">Prioritize</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:50" class="time">09:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:50"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster stops in for 60 sec</td><td><a href="#t09:50" class="time">09:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">and then connect to the main points some sub-tasks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:50" class="time">09:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">:></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:50" class="time">09:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">quaid: -1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:50" class="time">09:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">ow yeah, that's a different approach, may be better</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:51" class="time">09:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">quaid: DP/Tasks/Difficult</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:51" class="time">09:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: but we can't leave it as one big list, though</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:51" class="time">09:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">bury the things for experts, not the other way 'round</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:51" class="time">09:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">right</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:51" class="time">09:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">stickster: +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:51" class="time">09:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">quaid: Agreed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:51" class="time">09:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, not buried as much ..</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:51" class="time">09:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, so then how about </td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:51" class="time">09:51</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t09:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we divide by difficulty, then use Include() to pull in the /Easy tasks to be front-and-center?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:51" class="time">09:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">right below a Table of Contents</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:52" class="time">09:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">quaid:+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:52" class="time">09:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">do we want to group by type?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:52" class="time">09:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">great!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:52" class="time">09:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">:)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:52" class="time">09:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">hmm, not sure</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:52" class="time">09:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">+1 for quaid's idea</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:52" class="time">09:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">i.e., "short writing" "long writing" </td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:52" class="time">09:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">"editing" "tools" etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:52" class="time">09:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">the second</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:52" class="time">09:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">rather</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:52" class="time">09:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">editing, tools etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:52" class="time">09:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">seems to really bury the "more difficult" stuff</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:53" class="time">09:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I'd use the main tasks as a "You want it Easy -> check out this page and you might wanna learn a+b+c (learn will working)"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:53" class="time">09:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that argues for *not* displaying any tasks on that page, but having it be a pointer to sub-pages</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:54" class="time">09:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">yeah, that's the only drawback</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:54" class="time">09:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we could pull the list in below, so it is still there v. a click deeper</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:55" class="time">09:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">which seems to be more like the join-page should look like</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:55" class="time">09:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">hm</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:56" class="time">09:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ToC</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:56" class="time">09:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> How To Take a Task</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:56" class="time">09:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> Easy Tasks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:56" class="time">09:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> Challenging Tasks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:56" class="time">09:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> Hard Tasks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:56" class="time">09:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">== How to ... ==</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:56" class="time">09:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">{{:Easy}}</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:56" class="time">09:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">;d</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:56" class="time">09:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">:)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:56" class="time">09:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:57"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster likes only listing Easy tasks, than linking at the bottom "If you are looking for something more challenging, *go here*"</td><td><a href="#t09:57" class="time">09:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">repeat as necessary</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:57" class="time">09:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: okay seems sane +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:57" class="time">09:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">stickster: I think that is nearly the same thing ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:57" class="time">09:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">maybe move the How to around</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:57" class="time">09:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">hmm, and what about listing the categories</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:58" class="time">09:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">and then, inside</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:58" class="time">09:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">divide it to easy and more challenging tasks?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:58" class="time">09:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">i think organize the list themselves by categories</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:58" class="time">09:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">oic</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:58" class="time">09:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">you mean, "Easy Editing". "Easy Writing", etc</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:58" class="time">09:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">or rather, "Editing > Easy, Editing > Hard"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:59" class="time">09:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I guess my concern there is ... putting scary stuff in front of new people :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:59" class="time">09:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">i mean sth like this:</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:59" class="time">09:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">ToC</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:00" class="time">10:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">aye, I'd even think the word "edit" will be scary</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:00" class="time">10:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">one category</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:00" class="time">10:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">second category</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:00" class="time">10:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">and inside one category</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:00" class="time">10:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">== Easy stuff ==</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:00" class="time">10:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">== More challenging stuff ==</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:00" class="time">10:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">;d</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:00" class="time">10:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">:)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:00" class="time">10:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">aah, just two categories</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:01" class="time">10:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that is going to make a list that is too long, though</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:01" class="time">10:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">one big improvement that is really easy - remove the finished tasks?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:01" class="time">10:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">couf  no</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:01" class="time">10:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">more catogories</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:01" class="time">10:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">this is just an example</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:01" class="time">10:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">hmm</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:01" class="time">10:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">JonRob: remove, or move somewhere else?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:01" class="time">10:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">JonRob: sure, move to another page</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:02" class="time">10:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">or just move it to the end of the list</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:02" class="time">10:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">or create a new category</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:02" class="time">10:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">"Finished"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:02" class="time">10:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">or "Done"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:02" class="time">10:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">are you thinking of still keeping the table layout?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:03" class="time">10:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">okay, so we'll have Tasks/Easy, Tasks/Challenge, Task/Difficult, Task/Finished</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:03" class="time">10:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">look here <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Tasks">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Tasks</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:03" class="time">10:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">there are Closed/Completed Tasks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">JonRob: good question</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">but in Open tasks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">thera are still some remaining</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:04"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid is not sure how to do this without a table, though</td><td><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">and there's a "Done" comment</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">i would be for a table layout</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">quaid: <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">if we keep the list very small, it's doable without table</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:05" class="time">10:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">i think this layout works well</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:05" class="time">10:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">with a ToC</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:05" class="time">10:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">JonRob: +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:05" class="time">10:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">yep, if it's very small</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:06" class="time">10:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">:)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:06" class="time">10:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">hmm, brb</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:06" class="time">10:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">i have guests</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:06" class="time">10:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">:|</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:06" class="time">10:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">brb</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:06" class="time">10:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, we can try the list format</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:06" class="time">10:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it is friendlier</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:06" class="time">10:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">quaid: sounding enthusiastic!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:06" class="time">10:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">quaid: +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:09" class="time">10:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">ok, re</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:09" class="time">10:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">so what is "Easy"?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:10" class="time">10:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:10"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid finishes brushing a little girl's hair</td><td><a href="#t10:10" class="time">10:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah, what is easy</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:10" class="time">10:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'm thinking that once we have the right structure, it becomes more obvious what goes where</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">wiki = easy, xml = challenging</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">couf: +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">only if you don't know XML already</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">actually</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">true that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I think XML is easier for those who know XHTML than a Wiki can be :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">brb, one minute</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:12" class="time">10:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">heh, that's a sweeter approach</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:12" class="time">10:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">although, that would mean learning CVS for some, which could be a challenge</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:12" class="time">10:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">GUI-oriented people like the wiki, CLI-oriented people (AKA developers) like XML</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:12" class="time">10:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">is there a huge difference between wiki and xml!? besides cvs</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:13" class="time">10:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">JonRob: xml is more like xhtml like quaid mentioned above, a bit more formal</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:14" class="time">10:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">(this is something i'd like to learn at some point :D)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:14" class="time">10:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">the wiki is just text which gets parsed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:15" class="time">10:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">couf: thanks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:15" class="time">10:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">JonRob: please do, the more people who know XML, the better :-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:15" class="time">10:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">XML is good in that it can be used to create many different formats from the same source</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:15" class="time">10:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">what scares me off it at the min is cvs i think</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:16" class="time">10:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">and messing up docs!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:16" class="time">10:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">cvs is easy, if you are worried, use a GUI CVS client :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:16" class="time">10:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">(sorry for distracting the convo, can talk about this another time!)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:16" class="time">10:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">no, it's poignant, actually</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:16" class="time">10:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">Think of cvs as check-in and check-out of docs</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:16" class="time">10:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">JonRob: the messing up part is where cvs is so usefull</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:16" class="time">10:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">what is "Easy"?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:17" class="time">10:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we cater to the idea that Wiki == easier</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:17" class="time">10:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and we'll organize around that principle</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:17" class="time">10:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but it is not necc. true :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:17" class="time">10:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">aye</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:17" class="time">10:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, so the only decisions is ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:18" class="time">10:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:18"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid writes the two options:</td><td><a href="#t10:18" class="time">10:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">1. organize by challenge level (easy, hard), then within that have categories (writing, editing, etc.)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:18" class="time">10:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">2. organize by category, then within that by challenge level</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:18" class="time">10:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">1st approach seems better, if one wants to do something, one will want to do say something easy</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:19" class="time">10:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">not have to dive into "writer" vs "editor"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:19" class="time">10:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I think I agree because I think people think of themselves as part of a multiple role, not just one role</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:20" class="time">10:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">at first glance</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:20" class="time">10:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">some people might consider themselves great writers tho, but terrible editors</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:20" class="time">10:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">"sure I develop, i also test, release, etc.)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:20" class="time">10:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">so if they went to writer, they might take on a harder task then normally</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:20" class="time">10:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:20" class="time">10:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">"so if they want to writer" he heh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:20" class="time">10:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:20"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid pokes fun at JonRob </td><td><a href="#t10:20" class="time">10:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">ooops</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:20" class="time">10:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">btw, we should let go of the "open" - "assinged" distinction</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:22" class="time">10:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">let people get into a task that is already assinged</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:22" class="time">10:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">couf +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:22" class="time">10:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">s/assinged/assigned</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:22" class="time">10:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">(twice)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:23" class="time">10:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">We do need one hitman per task</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:24" class="time">10:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:24" class="time">10:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">ok, guys</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:24" class="time">10:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">i'll read the log later</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:24" class="time">10:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">i gotta go</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:25" class="time">10:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">i'll send my ideas to the list</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:25" class="time">10:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">bye</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:25" class="time">10:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we're done I thnk</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:25" class="time">10:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">ahm, ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:25" class="time">10:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">:)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:25" class="time">10:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">so bfj</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:25" class="time">10:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">bfn</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:25" class="time">10:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> McGiwer</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">;)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:25" class="time">10:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we'll org by difficulty, drop the open/assigned distirnction</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:25" class="time">10:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and do some light categorization but not so as to scare people off</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:25" class="time">10:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">like "Skills used in this task" "Writing, editing, research"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:25" class="time">10:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:26" class="time">10:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">note to all (including myself): the hitmen on the task should *not* be only quaid and stickster</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:27" class="time">10:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">heh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:28" class="time">10:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that's just cruft from old lists, we'll leave those more open</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:29" class="time">10:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, that should do it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:29" class="time">10:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'll work on that list that way, see where it takes us</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:29" class="time">10:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">since it is just couf and JonRob and I left ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:29" class="time">10:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anything else?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:29" class="time">10:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">not that i know off</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:30" class="time">10:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">didn't notice everyone else leaving!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:30" class="time">10:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">who's publishing the relnotes, I might have missed that?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:30" class="time">10:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">oh, hmm</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:32" class="time">10:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">unfortunately the list of who can is quite small, not by design</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:32" class="time">10:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:32"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid wonders if there is time to update the CSS for docs.fp.o</td><td><a href="#t10:32" class="time">10:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">quaid: what does that involve? i can do css if it helps</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:33" class="time">10:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">JonRob: yes, that mainly</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:33" class="time">10:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">JonRob: are you on #fedora-admin?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:33" class="time">10:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">nope</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:33" class="time">10:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I was just asking riczho, who worked on the CSS for the new front page, if he thought it was possible</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:34" class="time">10:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we'd want to work with him to make it happen faster</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:34" class="time">10:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that said, we can update the CSS anytime we want :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:34" class="time">10:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">would be cool to have it in place for f7</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:34" class="time">10:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">yeah, but timing is quite short</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:34" class="time">10:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">mm...4 days?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:34" class="time">10:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">couf: probably stickster will do it, just because it is faster and easier to do it ourselves than to teach a deprecated publishing system :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:34" class="time">10:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">the problem is the static v. SSI, I think</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:35" class="time">10:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: sure, just wondering</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:35" class="time">10:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">docs.fp.o is all PHP SSI built, where the other is static</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:35" class="time">10:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, closing meeting</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:35" class="time">10:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">5</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:35" class="time">10:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">4</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:35" class="time">10:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">3</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:35" class="time">10:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">2</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:35" class="time">10:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:35" class="time">10:35</a></td></tr>
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