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<h1>IRC Log of FDSCo Meeting (14 October 2007)</h1>
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<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: welcome back</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* jmbuser had my required disconnect - now let's have the meeting</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">quaid: ping</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: it seems it's just us :-/</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">couf: Shall we have a meeting?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: well we don't have quorum, so if you want to discuss something go ahead, otherwise we might have to cancel</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">Let's wait and see if anyone shows up - 1 more minute</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">couf: still there?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: yep</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">couf: Is it worthwhile having a 2 -person meeting?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">ivazquez</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">Sometimes. But it's not really worth scheduling unless both people are exceptionally busy.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: not really</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">ivazquez: true</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">ivazquez: Are you here for the meeting? - welcome</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">ivazquez</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">Mostly just to eavesdrop.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">couf: ok - we can have a brief meeting then - agreed?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: sure</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">Ok, if you don't mind, I'll start with the agenda:</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* jmbuser asks for patience with his slow internet connection</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">See <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings</a></td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">Agenda item 1 - Proposed by Marketing team in their meeting yesterday. </td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">heh both topics can be linked to yesterday's marketing meeting</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">couf: true</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">Here's no.1 :     *</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">      Marketing team proposal to republish, on docs.fp.o, FedoraUnity.org docs for creating re-spins. See <a href="http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-October/msg00058.html">http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-October/msg00058.html</a> for details.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">couf: Thoughts, opinions?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">well it's definitly a good idea, the only drawback here is that does docs are 100% about revisor, neglecting pungi and livecd-tools</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">note: this is an opinion with just briefly looking at the docs</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* couf tries to get kanarip in here</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">couf: Do we make that clear and try and get someone to fill the gaps on pungi especially? Livecd-tools at least has a fairly good page or two,,,</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: it's a distinction we really need to make</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">couf: Without discriminating among the 3, are we promoting all 3 at the same time? </td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">Is there a preferred method or whatever works for whomever?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">from a user-perspective revisor is the best way to go, developper/sysadmin would probably like pungi</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">revisor builds on top of pungi/livecd so it's basicly the same principles</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">Is wevisor (web-based revisor) usable today - and therefore an option?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">well there is a proof of concept running at <a href="https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/wevisor/">https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/wevisor/</a> but no idea what the status is</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">couf: To be practical, I guess we need a "table of contents" and start with revisor and add the others as time permits - links to what exists today</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">right</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">I really would like a volunteer since I promised a DUG for F8</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">and don't want to be overcommitted</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: I'll see what I can do</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I'll try to get kanarip and daMaestro on board and it could go fast then</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">couf: I didn't mean YOU had to be the volunteer :-)</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">but kanarip and daMaestro are more than welcome to help out</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: yeah I know, but I just want to get this thing over with :-)</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">ok, shall we move on to agenda item 2?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">yep</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">2 - Publishing howto's to docs.fp.o: increase visibility of the site and might have positive influence on our contributor flow-in</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">give me 2 min, need to feed the dogs</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">OK</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">Does this refer to the COSS Summercode 2007 project by vpv - see <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SummerOfCode/2007/VillePekkaVainio?">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SummerOfCode/2007/VillePekkaVainio?</a></td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* jmbuser waits for couf to return</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* couf returns</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">ah sort off / might be part of it</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">vpv: ping</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* jmbuser sees vpv is away but hopes</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I just struck me that not many people know about docs.fp.o and that it could be usefull to get some more stuff on it to draw attention</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">the idea basicly came from one guy how just joined this weekend having this great site full of howto's which he might transfer to us</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">That sounds promising</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* couf looks for the mail</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40"><a href="https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-October/msg00059.html">https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-October/msg00059.html</a></td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">site is: <a href="http://www.fedoraguide.info/index.php/Main_Page">http://www.fedoraguide.info/index.php/Main_Page</a></td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">we will need to filter out stuff that's on it b/c of the legal stuff</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* jmbuser waits for his sluggish internet</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">which actually leads to: what howto stuff is on our wiki that could/should be part off this new "thing"</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">I see the self-introduction</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">and the fedoraguide is slowly coming </td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">ah, this has some relationship with the kbase-idea of old</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">ok, got the website</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">Is the general ideas to bring over the "legal" topics and perhaps leave the other topics as an unofficial guide?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I'm not sure, we should that with Marc (Strikeforce)</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">probably the only way to go</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">couf: ok - I remember  Strikeforce from the marketing meeting - is he seeking access so he can help bring it over - at least the permissible stuff?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: if I got it right, yes that's just it</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">otoh, I could be really, really wrong too :-)</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">This would be a great contribution for an new FDP member to make - pretty easy to bring over with guidance with a quick and good payoff</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* jmbuser assumes Strikeforce would be agreeable to the official Fedora guidelines</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">right</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* Libbe (n=espenas@178.80-202-101.nextgentel.com) has joined #fedora-docs</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* couf notes: I don't have much time left</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">couf: Any other topics or shall we wrap it up?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">vpv</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">jmbuser: maybe somewhat, but you know my project dealt with man and info pages, not the documentation you write here</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* vpv notes he has midterm exams coming up, so he can't be very active right now</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">vpv: Thanks for tuning in - is your project ready for publication (when you have time, that is)?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: wrap up, unless you've got anything else?</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* jmbuser gives vpv a chance to respond</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">vpv</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">jmbuser: not really, it needs some work still, I have planned to send a "call for help" mail to the list</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">vpv</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">those who are interested could have a look at <a href="http://www.mindtrek.org/pdf/presentations/workshops/summer_coders/esitys-vainio.pdf">http://www.mindtrek.org/pdf/presentations/workshops/summer_coders/esitys-vainio.pdf</a></td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">vpv: fair enough - please send that email when you feel it is the appropriate time</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">vpv</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">that's my presentation in the OpenMind conference</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* couf needs to run</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">vpv: thanks - If there's nothing else, let's close the meeting - thanks </td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* jmbuser declares end of meeting</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: cool, thanks man</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">vpv</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">thanks :)</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">likewise</td></tr>
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