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<h1>FDSCo-meeting-irclog-2008-01-29</h1>
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<tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><meeting></td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Agenda">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Agenda</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">does it mean something that when I start to type "fedor..." in Firefox, it is the Meetings page that comes up first in the history?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, so far I've seen</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">present: quaid, couf, EvilBob </td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">which is good enough to start something</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid . o O { game of whist? }</td><td><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">jsmith is here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">sorry</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">present: jsmith :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">quorum!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">so quorum :-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">YEah, I'm here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jinx</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Sorry, trying to do five things at once</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">no worries</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">let's see ... why discuss the one summary update?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I think there is some confusion still in what we can do</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">poelcat: if you are here, your input is appreciated on this topic</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><td class="action" colspan="2">* poelcat is here</td><td><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I want to ponder ... can we do it all in one page with so many different focuses?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">poelcat: btw, my *sigh* over the group release summary was global not targeted; we've let the different summaries get out of control, so that was more self-recrimination than anything</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">this is the one sheet for the release notes?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">aye</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">quaid: np :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">relnotes OverView + Release/#/Summary + press kit + any other release summary usasges (press releases, etc.)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">hard to say... there are so many focuses and yet so few people that consistently fill out all the details</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">per feature you mean?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">or who come from a feature and fill out the master?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">yes, per feature or enhancements</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, do we know enough right now about this topic to make a decision?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">keep a master list, with links to developper/user-specific info?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">or do we punt back to the list for more discussion</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">one possibility i just thought of</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">is have the docs team "own" the 'release notes' and 'documentation' sections of the feature pages</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">in terms of making sure they get completed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">divide among doc writers so each feature has a "doc owner"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">they can then collaborate with the feature owner</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">which could also be parlayed into the release summary?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">OK...short term gain, but long term is that sending the right message?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">what is the "right message" ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I thought the message was "If it's worth adding a new feature, it's worth documenting it."</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">(putting the onus on the person responsible for the feature to add some basic documentation to the feature page)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">jsmith: I would agree with that statement; i'm not sure how many package maintainers would :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we are mixing discussions somewhat, i think</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">the Release Notes section in a feature is different than the one summary discussion</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but they are interrelated, yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KarstenWade/Drafts/OneSummary">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KarstenWade/Drafts/OneSummary</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">this is what I was thinking as an example of how to structure it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">poelcat: in terms of your idea of per-feature writers, two answers:</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yes, we have beat writers for that purpose</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">no, we have a historical resources issue, and that model doesn't scale as well</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I prefer to have Docs + Marketing watch that area</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">maybe we can make Feature/*/ReleaseNotes a separte page that is Included()ed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">then it is easy to have that watched by a group who can help devels</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so people can dump they brains in there and we'll help them massage it over time</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">poelcat: I'm writing an email for f-devel-l to tackle relnotes in the features; I am going to propose they be a blocker</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">as for this topic ... :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">how about I bounce that draft outline to the list and we can discuss it there?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Sure, sounds good.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Sure</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t13:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">done</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">moving on </td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">quaid: blocker in terms of whether something is "feature complete"?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">poelcat: yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">poelcat: it mainly involves changing "should complete this page" to "must complete this page" in the Process</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it is otherwise quite clear in the process that release notes (as wel as the entire feature page) is pretty needed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">except the feature process itself does not enforce completing a feature page, afaict</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, back on topic :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">We have a topic?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid looks at the /topic</td><td><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok ... it looks like we haven't really asked if anyone wants to do the one-sheet for F9 alpha ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I did try to blackmail f13 last time we met, but that seems to have failed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">f13: the one-sheet relnotes we do for alpha and beta are really for QA, testing, and releng to highlight what they want testers to be thinking about;</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">what is a good way to gather that info?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we can open the wiki page and send invites to ... ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">fedora-devel-list ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">feature owners?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Alpha/ReleaseNotes">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Alpha/ReleaseNotes</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">k</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">quaid: <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=428703">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=428703</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">for "known issues"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">cool</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Next?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yes, thanks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:39"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid was emailing</td><td><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">also..</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">DUG?  AG?  SMG?  Crypto?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/9/AlphaTreeTesting">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/9/AlphaTreeTesting</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><td class="action" colspan="2">* Sparks_too needs to bail soon but would like to talk about SMG, Crypto, and Policy Kit</td><td><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Sparks_too: go ahead ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> Sparks_too</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">The SMG is pretty much done...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I've got the doc-of-many-names in CVS (yum-software-management-guide-thingy) in CVS, but I haven't yet edited it for content.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> Sparks_too</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">I'm still working on the yum-addons (yum-util)...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Hoping to find time for that this week</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> Sparks_too</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">but it is pretty much done.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> Sparks_too</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">I'm also attempting to get information on PackageKit that can be included if it is included in F9.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> Sparks_too</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">I hope to finish the yum-addons tonight.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> Sparks_too</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">Crypto: I have verified the step-by-step instructions for encrypting your /home partition.  I still have a lot of research to do for some other items that need to be included.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> Sparks_too</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">That is all I got.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">herlo has converted that section of the Crypto guide to DocBook</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I'll be going over it w/ him later this week</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Sparks_too: I know one expert (the original author of the CryptoGuide) has been watching carefully, so he'll let you know if he sees anything bad</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we want that one out for F9</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">then there is better chance that the next RHEL can pick up the content :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(which is missing from RHEL 5 docs :( )</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> Sparks_too</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">quaid: Okay, I'll make that a priority right after the SMG.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Sparks_too or jsmith  was going to file a bug about making a new component for the SMG</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">AG and DUG have been updated on list ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">poelcat: did you see the strawman schedules couf put up?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: What exactly do you mean by "component"?  A component in Bugzilla? Or something else?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid hadn't gone to see if there were any dependency conflicts, etc.</td><td><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jsmith: yes bugzilla component</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it was Sparks_too I was chatting with i guess</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Wasn't me.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> Sparks_too</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">quaid: If you want, you can have all SMG bugs go to me if you like.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Sparks_too: put that in the bug you file, that you should be the component owner</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> Sparks_too</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">quaid: Okay.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'll recall later how we do that;  i know how to fix the CVSROOT/modules but am not clear if that auto-updates bz</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">beats ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">i'm going to blog about it, send out a reminde rto f-devel-l</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> Sparks_too</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">quaid: Should we just rename yum-software-manangement to Software Management Guide?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">feel free to start bugging people to assign beat writers</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Sparks_too: perhaps, unclear if that is how it works</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:50"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- bzbot is now known as buggbot</td><td><a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:51"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid realizes he needs to leave at five minutes to the hour so we can make the Board meeting call from his house :)</td><td><a href="#t13:51" class="time">13:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:51" class="time">13:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Sorry all I have been away for the last 20 minutes dealing with a staff situation here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:51" class="time">13:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">punting meeting time until next week</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:51" class="time">13:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and we still need to discuss chair/leader stuff, but we need to have that with the full FDSCo IMHO</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:51" class="time">13:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I have a couple real quick items that were not in the agenda</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:51" class="time">13:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:51"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo AOB</td><td><a href="#t13:51" class="time">13:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">go mango</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:51" class="time">13:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I would like to put the Chair situation on the agenda for next week</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><td class="action" colspan="2">* Sparks_too heads out...  See everyone later this evening.</td><td><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">also we have two moderated lists that we are in charge of</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">fedora-docs-\*</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">on the first item, sure, let</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I have been handling the moderator requests for list for a couple days and will keep doing so</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">'s put it on</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I filter those requests to the side, to be honest</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">can someone please take care of commits please</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">because they are always spam</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">nope</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">really?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:54" class="time">13:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">we had one good message this week</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:54" class="time">13:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that's a shame</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:54" class="time">13:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">from an external person not on the list?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:54" class="time">13:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">yeah the website question</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:54" class="time">13:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:54" class="time">13:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">see</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:54" class="time">13:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">perfect example of why I hate those ones :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:55" class="time">13:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I replied on list and no wonder he didn't reply</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:55" class="time">13:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">it will take 5-10 minutes a day or a half hour once a week</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:55" class="time">13:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I will just let it go again now, in a month if no one picked it up I would like to ask that both lists share a password</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:55" class="time">13:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we can do that one for sure</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:56" class="time">13:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we can also invite other moderators than the SCo</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:56" class="time">13:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">that makes it easier for me to log in to both and handle them</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:56" class="time">13:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">that is all I have</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:56" class="time">13:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">EvilBob: you want to go ahead and make the docs-commits password the same as the docs-list one?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:56" class="time">13:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">sorry, got major phone call</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:56" class="time">13:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">we can talk more next week'</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:56" class="time">13:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, I've got to jet myself</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:56" class="time">13:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: I can do that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:56" class="time">13:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">buffer is above, I'll post the log etc. in a few</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:57" class="time">13:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">EvilBob: thanks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:57" class="time">13:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">good point, glad you saw that post</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:57" class="time">13:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"></meeting></td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:57" class="time">13:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:57"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid must have dumped good stuff in the past :(</td><td><a href="#t13:57" class="time">13:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><== bad moderator, no donut!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:57" class="time">13:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">aye</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:57" class="time">13:57</a></td></tr>
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