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<tr id="t11:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><meeting></td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:08" class="time">11:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:08"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo mtg - <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Agenda">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Agenda</a></td><td><a href="#t11:08" class="time">11:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">going to go through a quick rundown</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:08" class="time">11:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">even though not sure anyone is here :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:08" class="time">11:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:09"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid waits exactly one minute to 18:10.20</td><td><a href="#t11:09" class="time">11:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:09"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- jsmith [n=jsmith@72.21.36.138]  has joined #fedora-meeting</td><td><a href="#t11:09" class="time">11:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:09"><td class="action" colspan="2">* jsmith is here... at least in theory</td><td><a href="#t11:09" class="time">11:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">word</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:09" class="time">11:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I'm juggling projects at the moment</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:09" class="time">11:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">a few more seconds</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:09" class="time">11:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:10"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid is a juggle</td><td><a href="#t11:10" class="time">11:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:12"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- J5_ [n=quintice@nat/redhat/x-e216423445de749b]  has joined #fedora-meeting</td><td><a href="#t11:12" class="time">11:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:13"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid back from network drop, sry</td><td><a href="#t11:13" class="time">11:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:13"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo mtg - Installation Guide (IG)</td><td><a href="#t11:13" class="time">11:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">stickster has been doing some work on this</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:14" class="time">11:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">all other work and EvilBob are MIA at this point</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:14" class="time">11:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">going to send a request today to the list to get all hands on the IG and the UG from now</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:15" class="time">11:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anyone with anything else?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:15" class="time">11:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:15"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid waits 30 seconds</td><td><a href="#t11:15" class="time">11:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Southern_Gentlem</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">quaid i will get Evilbob on the IG this week</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:15" class="time">11:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Southern_Gentlem: thx; the concern is we don't know what was or was not done by his IG writing team</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:16" class="time">11:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so we're likely to duplicate or overcome that work</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:16" class="time">11:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">which was, btw, why I argued for *all* that work to happen in regular irc, mailing list, and CVS</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:16" class="time">11:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but, good lord, yes, all hands are needed :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:17" class="time">11:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:17"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid prepares to move on topic-wise ...</td><td><a href="#t11:17" class="time">11:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:17"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo mtg - Update on other active content work</td><td><a href="#t11:17" class="time">11:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">User Guide -- finishing for F9, keep momentum going</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:18" class="time">11:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">UG -- F8 finish, has to be put behind IG work now</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:18" class="time">11:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">SMG -- couf passed on the XML work, now we need to get that bad boy published</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:18" class="time">11:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:19"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid ponders if jsmith wants to learn that particular trivia</td><td><a href="#t11:19" class="time">11:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Sec G - sparks has been working on it, post F9 draft target</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:19" class="time">11:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">AG - post f9 release draft target</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:19" class="time">11:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">release notes -- were going to do some updates from the wiki to the POT but none of us followed through, we need to decide quickly if we are going to mess with that or not</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:20" class="time">11:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: Yeah, couf told me he gave me an A+ on it...  I'm still in shock</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:20" class="time">11:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">  -- above discussion on list?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:20" class="time">11:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Yeah, push it to the list</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:20" class="time">11:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jsmith: eh, if you know DocBook it's not hard of a task :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:20" class="time">11:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, any more on that ol' content what is active?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:20" class="time">11:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Not that I can think of...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:21" class="time">11:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">What exactly is involved in publishing the SMG?  It got branched for the PackageKit update, right?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:21" class="time">11:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Did the PackageKit updates ever get put into DocBook?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:22" class="time">11:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Southern_Gentlem</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">define SMG please</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:22" class="time">11:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Southern_Gentlem</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">IG is install guide UG is User Guide</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:23" class="time">11:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">SGM is the Software Management Guide</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:23" class="time">11:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Southern_Gentlem</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">ty and AG is?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:23" class="time">11:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Admin GUide</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:23" class="time">11:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">(formerly the yum-software-management guide)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:23" class="time">11:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">sry for TLA fever :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:23" class="time">11:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jsmith: most likely no on the PK changes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:24" class="time">11:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jsmith: publishing is ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:24" class="time">11:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:24"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid gets URL</td><td><a href="#t11:24" class="time">11:24</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t11:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jsmith: anyway, I can show you after the meeting; that is, discuss it later out of the meeting :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:25" class="time">11:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Fair enough</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:26" class="time">11:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:26"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo mtg -- AOB</td><td><a href="#t11:26" class="time">11:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I don't know what else to discuss without the other folks here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:26" class="time">11:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">in that we are almost done :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:26" class="time">11:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:26"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo mtg -- All Other Business (AOB)</td><td><a href="#t11:26" class="time">11:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">'zactly</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:26" class="time">11:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditingFedoraRedhatCom">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditingFedoraRedhatCom</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:26" class="time">11:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that's the evil that we do to get published still</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:26" class="time">11:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it's actually a bit like the other websites</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:26" class="time">11:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we check in changes and tag them LIVE</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:27" class="time">11:27</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t11:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it's all PHP includes to build the pages, with the rendering done and pushed as static HTML</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:27" class="time">11:27</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t11:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Gotcha</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:28" class="time">11:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, with nothing more ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:28" class="time">11:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:28"><td class="action" colspan="2">* jsmith votes for ending the meeting</td><td><a href="#t11:28" class="time">11:28</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t11:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it is so</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:28" class="time">11:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">5</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:29" class="time">11:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Southern_Gentlem</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:29" class="time">11:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">4</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:29" class="time">11:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">3</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:29" class="time">11:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">2</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:29" class="time">11:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:29" class="time">11:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"></meeting></td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:29" class="time">11:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:29"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid syncs irclogs and posts this easy one</td><td><a href="#t11:29" class="time">11:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">So let it be written, so let it be done!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:29" class="time">11:29</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t11:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I would like to announce to this channel</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:51" class="time">11:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that I am just a bit stupid</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:51" class="time">11:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and we will have the actual FDSCo meeting at the *scheduled* time, which is in 10 minutes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:51" class="time">11:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">if no one new shows up, then we'll just accept the work done previously :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:51" class="time">11:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: Consider that a "George Bush"-style preemptive meeting</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:53" class="time">11:53</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t11:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: I'm here! I'm here!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:57" class="time">11:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jsmith: "I meant to do that"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:57" class="time">11:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it was a test</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:57" class="time">11:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">to see if you were awake</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:57" class="time">11:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">"Had this been an actual meeting, this tone would have been followed by emergency instructions"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:58" class="time">11:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Hey, I can do that in my sleep</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:58" class="time">11:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">:)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:58" class="time">11:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">jsmith: HAHAHA</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:58" class="time">11:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:58"><td class="action" colspan="2">* jsmith can fix servers in his sleep... which is really scary</td><td><a href="#t11:58" class="time">11:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I think I've been asleep while attempting to fix servers... Just ask my boss.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:58" class="time">11:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Back when I was managing umpteen thousand servers, I could wake up, walk downstairs, log into the VPN, fix a server, go back to bed, and not remember in the morning</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:58" class="time">11:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">My wife would ask "Why did the pager go off last night?" and I'd be like "What are you talking about?"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:59" class="time">11:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">But sure enough, I fixed the server and even sent out an email explaining what I fixed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:59" class="time">11:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Go figure...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:59" class="time">11:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Sleepadmin</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:59" class="time">11:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Yik4ed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:59" class="time">11:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jsmith: freaking spooky!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:59" class="time">11:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">uh...  Yikes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:59" class="time">11:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: Apparently I could do the same with changing baby diapers as well...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">oh, that one I understand</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Just watch out... I might wake up and convert wiki to docbook in the middle of the night ;-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I used to have such a hard time coming out of a dream</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:01" class="time">12:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I remember once changing a diaper while dreaming I was wrestling with a rogue operating system</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:01" class="time">12:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, let's do it ... again</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:01" class="time">12:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:01"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo mtg redux -- roll call</td><td><a href="#t12:01" class="time">12:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">the trick is ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:01" class="time">12:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">if it's the same people, we can just ratify the last hour :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:01" class="time">12:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">the irclog from before is in f-docs-l</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:02" class="time">12:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">EricChristensen</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:02" class="time">12:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">JaredSmith</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:02" class="time">12:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2008-April/msg00090.html">http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2008-April/msg00090.html</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:02" class="time">12:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">KarstenWade semi-here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:02" class="time">12:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, so ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:02" class="time">12:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Sparks: do you see anything in that irclog you have a question about, comment on, etc.?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:03" class="time">12:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:03"><td class="action" colspan="2">* Sparks reads the previous meeting's notes</td><td><a href="#t12:03" class="time">12:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Sparks: Can you also bring us up to speed on the current status of the SMG?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:03" class="time">12:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:04"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo mtg redux -- discuss !meeting log, wait for people to show up a bit late until 1910</td><td><a href="#t12:04" class="time">12:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jsmith: ah, thx</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:04" class="time">12:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">specifically, the PackageKit changes, do we need to get those into XML?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:04" class="time">12:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Um, I think I can talk on the SMG and the CryptoGuide</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:04" class="time">12:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Cool.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:04" class="time">12:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:05"><td class="action" colspan="2">* Sparks pulls up RH Bugzilla to pull some notes</td><td><a href="#t12:05" class="time">12:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Okay, I'm ready whenever the firing squad assembles</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:05" class="time">12:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Fire!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:06" class="time">12:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">oh, go ahead</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:06" class="time">12:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Okay...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:06" class="time">12:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we're just going to make sure we don't close too soon, but with things to discuss :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:06" class="time">12:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">SMG.  The only thing left was to add the PackageKit documentation which I had started but hadn't gotten enough info to finish.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:06" class="time">12:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">RahulSundaram volunteered to finish up the documentation and thus ticket # 430765 was assigned to him.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:07" class="time">12:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">That was on 02Apr.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:07" class="time">12:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I haven't heard anything else on the SMG since.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:08" class="time">12:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I don't recall ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:08" class="time">12:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:08"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid checks commit stream</td><td><a href="#t12:08" class="time">12:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-relnotes-content/2008-April/thread.html">http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-relnotes-content/2008-April/thread.html</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:08" class="time">12:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it's Docs/Drafts/SoftwareManagementGuide?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:09" class="time">12:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">oh, darn</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:09" class="time">12:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">sorry, that list doesn't watch Docs/Drafts/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:09" class="time">12:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Looking at what little I wrote for PackageKit it doesn't look like it has been touched.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:09" class="time">12:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:09" class="time">12:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/SoftwareManagementGuide/PackageKit">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/SoftwareManagementGuide/PackageKit</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:10" class="time">12:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so the issue is we need someone with expertise?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:10" class="time">12:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">or just access to the application?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:10" class="time">12:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Both</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:10" class="time">12:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I have access to the application but with it still being developed it is hard to pin down the documentation.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:10" class="time">12:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Well, what's going into F9 should be pretty much frozen, right?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:11" class="time">12:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I think Rahul was supposed to write something for the Release Notes?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:11" class="time">12:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, what we see in Preview is going to be it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:11" class="time">12:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Can't we / shouldn't we document what's there?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:11" class="time">12:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we can use that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:11" class="time">12:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:12" class="time">12:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">the relnotes are just an overview</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:12" class="time">12:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and point to the SMG as canonical</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:12" class="time">12:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Right...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:12" class="time">12:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/PackageKit">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/PackageKit</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:12" class="time">12:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">under Documentation</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:13" class="time">12:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://www.packagekit.org/pk-faq.html">http://www.packagekit.org/pk-faq.html</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:13" class="time">12:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">The SMG as written today (and what I *THINK* made it into CVS) doesn't not address PackageKit but does address everything else.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:13" class="time">12:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that's more of a reference, no how-to there</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:13" class="time">12:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: How much time do we have to develop this?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:14" class="time">12:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">11 May?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:14" class="time">12:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">at the latest</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:14" class="time">12:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so we have time to give a final pre-publication once-over</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:14" class="time">12:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Okay, I can try to write something up this week so that jsmith and you can look over it.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:15" class="time">12:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, thanks!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:15" class="time">12:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">w00t!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:15" class="time">12:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Did I just say that?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:15" class="time">12:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yes, you did</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:16" class="time">12:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Dang it!  I hate when I do that.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:16" class="time">12:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">doing an update of the xML from the wiki by hand should be trivial</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:16" class="time">12:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Sparks: take it to the list, get some additional help</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:16" class="time">12:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">someone may know of existing something or somesuch</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:16" class="time">12:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:17"><td class="action" colspan="2">* Sparks never gets help from the list because he always takes the grunt jobs.</td><td><a href="#t12:17" class="time">12:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">true</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:17" class="time">12:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">:_)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:17" class="time">12:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but always worth the traffic</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:17" class="time">12:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">True</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:17" class="time">12:17</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t12:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Okay, that's all I got on SMG.  I can speak on the CryptoGuide</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:19" class="time">12:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:21" class="time">12:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">aka ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:21" class="time">12:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Security Guide</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:21" class="time">12:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">have you laid out a new structure to work from?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:22" class="time">12:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:22"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid goes to look</td><td><a href="#t12:22" class="time">12:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">So...  It was the CryptoGuide (which I personally think is a cool name) but got changed to the Privacy and Encryption Guide and is now called the Security Guide.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:22" class="time">12:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">It starts at <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Security_Guide/">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Security_Guide/</a> for the "approved and released" side.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:22" class="time">12:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">But the meat and potatoes are actually at <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/CryptoGuide">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/CryptoGuide</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:23" class="time">12:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Last weekend I churned some letters together and got the introduction rewritten, established a General Principles of Security chapter, and also wrote up how to do a secure installation.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:24" class="time">12:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Next is to do an overview of Encryption and then go into the different forms (data-at-rest, data-in-motion, etc).</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:25" class="time">12:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">what is the Fedora Sec team interested in seeing?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:25" class="time">12:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">a guide</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:25" class="time">12:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">:)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:25" class="time">12:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and how do you feel about the balance of Fedora-specific to general sec info?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:25" class="time">12:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Actually, they want to see the encryption stuff written up so it is easily read and...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:26" class="time">12:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">they wanted to see general things to do when setting up Fedora and using Fedora.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:26" class="time">12:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">right, if there is nothing appropriate that makes sense of it for people, no reason not to write it ourselves.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:26" class="time">12:26</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t12:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: I think I have written everything to be as specific to Fedora as possible.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:27" class="time">12:27</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t12:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Sparks: no worries, as long as you are having fun</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:27" class="time">12:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Sparks: another group we can put you in contact with, for content sources, ideas, and consumption, should be the Free IPA and Dogtag projects</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:28" class="time">12:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I haven't completely fleshed out everything that I want to put into the doc but I'd like to get Chapters 1 through 3 approved and moved over to the public side before F9 being that people are being asked to go there for information on the Encryption.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:28" class="time">12:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:28" class="time">12:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: I'm definately having fun with this one.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:28" class="time">12:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:28" class="time">12:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">iirc, that content is pretty well vetted already, right?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:28" class="time">12:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Ch 1 .. 3</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:28" class="time">12:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Yeah, I want to talk about PKI (aka Dog Tag) in there too.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:29" class="time">12:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah, those guys surely want some help with that content</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:29" class="time">12:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but also ..</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:29" class="time">12:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">The information is well vetted... BUT I want someone to look over it to 1) sanity check me, 2) grammar check me, and 3) make sure what I'm saying is what Fedora wants me to say.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:29" class="time">12:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:30"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid looks</td><td><a href="#t12:30" class="time">12:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Sparks: yeah, technical edit was my primary concern there</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:30" class="time">12:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:30"><td class="action" colspan="2">* Sparks drools over the thought of the Dog Tag project.</td><td><a href="#t12:30" class="time">12:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">you know there are existing docs, right?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:30" class="time">12:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">the question is, as usual, do we get access to them ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:30" class="time">12:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">What existing docs are you speaking of?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:30" class="time">12:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Cert System docs</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:31" class="time">12:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Hmmm</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:31" class="time">12:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">+ Directory Server docs</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:31" class="time">12:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">not all relevant, but some</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:31" class="time">12:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/cert-system/">http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/cert-system/</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:31" class="time">12:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/dir-server/">http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/dir-server/</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:31" class="time">12:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Hmmm... I'll have to look at those further.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:32" class="time">12:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:32"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid was once-upon-a-time lead writer for that, when we started the conversion of the 3000+ pages from FrameMaker to HTML to XML</td><td><a href="#t12:32" class="time">12:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">:)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:32" class="time">12:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Where does F8/F9 fall in with RHEL?  Is it closer to RHEL 5 than RHEL 4?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:33" class="time">12:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah, it may not be relevant, who knows?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:33" class="time">12:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, sure, it's closer</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:33" class="time">12:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">quite a bit</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:33" class="time">12:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but yeah, it's a hard thing to reference old RHEL content, which we have done on-and-off over the years</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:33" class="time">12:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Okay.  That's good to know as most of the documentation that I'm referencing is designed for RHEL 5.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:34" class="time">12:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">right</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:34" class="time">12:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">True</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:34" class="time">12:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">brb</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:34" class="time">12:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">RH hasn't released a Security Guide for 5 yet.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:34" class="time">12:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I think that content was rolled in to the Deployment Guide</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:36" class="time">12:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">So with that said, I think I'll be cleaning up the Encryption stuff later this week so it can go out the door.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:36" class="time">12:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">sweet</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:36" class="time">12:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: What's the possibility of rolling out a secure version of Fedora in the future?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:37" class="time">12:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:37"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid thought that stuff was secure</td><td><a href="#t12:37" class="time">12:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Sparks: make a spin?  or something different?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:37" class="time">12:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: I'm guessing we'd probably take more heat than on the SELinux debate.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:37" class="time">12:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Sparks: how so?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:38" class="time">12:38</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t12:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Well...  There are a lot of things that could/should be done by the user to prevent malicious code or attackers from hacking you.  TCPWrappers, setting up human groups and using sudo, etc</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:38" class="time">12:38</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t12:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Locking down partitions...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:39" class="time">12:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and rather than telling them how, make a version that does it automatically</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:39" class="time">12:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I could go on and on...  I'm only in chapter 2 of the DoD guide I'm using to harden three Fedora boxes right now and I was surprised at how much stuff there is.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:39" class="time">12:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it sounds like a spin, to me</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:39" class="time">12:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Well, I'd say do both.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:39" class="time">12:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">bunch of %post scripts?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:40" class="time">12:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, ok, see, here is where this is on topic for Docs</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:40" class="time">12:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we've historically</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:40" class="time">12:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">had a narrow vision and mission</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:40" class="time">12:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but have widened over time</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:40" class="time">12:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and like the rest of Fedora Project proper</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:40" class="time">12:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we can expand to be upstream of content</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:40" class="time">12:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and do big guides, etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:40" class="time">12:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Hmmm....  The DoD has a script that runs and tells you what is wrong with your system but I haven't seen one that will fix everything for you because you don't know what setting will break an existing system.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:41" class="time">12:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:41"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid wonders where bastion-linux is these days</td><td><a href="#t12:41" class="time">12:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:41"><td class="action" colspan="2">* Sparks sees this as a possible big guide</td><td><a href="#t12:41" class="time">12:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Sparks: well, look at the content in the RHEL 5 Deployment Guide, see what you would re-use in such a Security Guide if oyu had it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:42" class="time">12:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Maybe it is just me but I read my logs every morning to see what's been going on.  I don't know if most people do that or not but if they do then they are probably a little concernes with security.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:43" class="time">12:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:43"><td class="action" colspan="2">* Sparks looks for the Deployment guide.</td><td><a href="#t12:43" class="time">12:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">start at rh.com/docs</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:43" class="time">12:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Got it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:43" class="time">12:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">logwatch++ too</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:43" class="time">12:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">:)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:43" class="time">12:43</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t12:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Southern_Gentlem</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">most admins consider tcpwrappers as a last resort</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:45" class="time">12:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">But it is the dumb things, like not using IPv6 but having it running, that allow an attacker to gain access to the system because of the default settings.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:45" class="time">12:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Southern_Gentlem</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Sparks, explain that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:45" class="time">12:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Sparks: the IPv6 setting sounds like a bug or an f-devel-l discussion</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:45" class="time">12:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Southern_Gentlem</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Sparks,  if there network doesnt support ip6 how are they at risk</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:46" class="time">12:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">The IPv6 thing is *unix wide</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:47" class="time">12:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Southern_Gentlem</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">no not all networks support ipv6</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:47" class="time">12:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Because IPv6 allows for autoconfiguration and allows an attack vector to the networking stack.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:47" class="time">12:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">true, however if you are using newer equipment (like a new switch) you have an attack vector because a lot of network switches will pass it along with the IPv4 packet.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:48" class="time">12:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Southern_Gentlem</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">but i am talking on old switches which are still out there in force</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:49" class="time">12:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">You have a mitigating factor if your WAN connection doesn't support IPv6.  This wouldn't be so much of a problem for a home user.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:49" class="time">12:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Southern_Gentlem</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">guess what? thats your main audience in fedora</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:49" class="time">12:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">But if Fedora was deployed in a larger setting then you could have a problem.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:49" class="time">12:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">guess what, you don't know where Fedora is and what it is being used for.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:50" class="time">12:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I'm not saying that everyone should follow everything in the book, I'm saying that they should know where the information is and know how to use the information if they deem it necessary to secure their box.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:50" class="time">12:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I know of places where Fedora is used in a more... enterprise setting.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:51" class="time">12:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Not a problem.  I talked with the sysadmin and made sure he knew what docs he needed to consult so he could secure his system.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:52" class="time">12:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Anyway, the IPv6 thing was only an example.  There are lots of settings for passwords and using AIDE and securing your SSH that would be useful to most users, IMO.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:53" class="time">12:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, I think we have wandered afar enough :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:55" class="time">12:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:55"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid is back from a distraction</td><td><a href="#t12:55" class="time">12:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'll trim back a bit and send out both logs asap</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:56" class="time">12:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anything else?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:56" class="time">12:56</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t12:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Nothing here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:56" class="time">12:56</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t12:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> Sparks</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Where did jsmith go?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:57" class="time">12:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:57" class="time">12:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"></meeting></td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:57" class="time">12:57</a></td></tr>
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