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| nirik | who all is around for the irc support sig meeting? | Mar 19 09:30 |
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| *thomasj | Mar 19 09:30 | |
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| *nirik will wait a few more for folks to wander in. | Mar 19 09:32 | |
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| *Southern_Gentlem | Mar 19 09:33 | |
| *zcat | Mar 19 09:33 | |
| *EvilBob | Mar 19 09:33 | |
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| *ivazquez will have to read the log today unfortunately | Mar 19 09:34 | |
| nirik | ok, I guess we can go ahead and get started... | Mar 19 09:34 |
| ---nirik has changed the topic to: IRC Support SIG meeting - meeting logs | Mar 19 09:34 | |
| nirik | speaking of meeting logs, I uploaded to the wiki all the meeting logs from 2009. :) I will fill in the rest of the missing ones soon... | Mar 19 09:34 |
| nirik | so if you need to look at any old meetings, feel free. | Mar 19 09:35 |
| EvilBob | I have a suggestion for meetings | Mar 19 09:35 |
| nirik | Communicate/IRC/Support_Channel_Meetings has links to them. and you should be able to search the "Meeting" namespace on the wiki | Mar 19 09:35 |
| nirik | EvilBob: go ahead... | Mar 19 09:36 |
| EvilBob | In some meetings in the past regular users that are sometimes a "problem" have been named | Mar 19 09:36 |
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| EvilBob | I feel this is in bad form | Mar 19 09:36 |
| roguedevil | +1 | Mar 19 09:37 |
| EvilBob | it puts a target on them | Mar 19 09:37 |
| EvilBob | what should be discussed is the behavior | Mar 19 09:37 |
| EvilBob | not that <JoeAsshole> is the actor | Mar 19 09:37 |
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| Southern_Gentlem | +1 | Mar 19 09:37 |
| thomasj | I thought we discussed the behaviour.. maybe i have a bad memory | Mar 19 09:38 |
| zcat | +1 guilty | Mar 19 09:38 |
| nirik | yeah, I would agree... sometimes someone gets mentioned in relation to a specific behavior tho... | Mar 19 09:38 |
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| EvilBob | When I was an op in another IRC channel years ago this was strictly forbidden and I think it was a good idea | Mar 19 09:38 |
| nirik | we can try and avoid doing that. | Mar 19 09:38 |
| Southern_Gentlem | EvilBob, i agree with you | Mar 19 09:38 |
| *nirik nods. | Mar 19 09:38 | |
| EvilBob | just food for thought based on experiences | Mar 19 09:39 |
| nirik | I don't want to point fingers, I just want things to get better. | Mar 19 09:39 |
| Southern_Gentlem | i also think that if we need to talk about a specific user we have an executive session to do it | Mar 19 09:39 |
| nirik | ok, I think we all agree, shall we move along... | Mar 19 09:39 |
| roguedevil | in -ops | Mar 19 09:40 |
| Southern_Gentlem | yep | Mar 19 09:40 |
| EvilBob | nirik: I would ask that now that logs of these meetigns are posted any of this kind of thing should be censored from the posted logs ASAP | Mar 19 09:40 |
| roguedevil | i thought nirik was already doing that | Mar 19 09:40 |
| nirik | EvilBob: hum. Is that really practical? | Mar 19 09:40 |
| EvilBob | nirik: I think it is important | Mar 19 09:41 |
| nirik | ie, the barn door is open and the horses are in googles pasture... | Mar 19 09:41 |
| Southern_Gentlem | yes because the perosns nick was mentioned needs to be removed from the logs | Mar 19 09:41 |
| roguedevil | its the fact that they are posted thats the problem | Mar 19 09:41 |
| *lkundrak has no idea at all what is being talked about | Mar 19 09:41 | |
| roguedevil | nirik: didnt you already do that before? or was it just the first one heh | Mar 19 09:41 |
| nirik | EvilBob: I can try and go in and edit them... I don't guess there were too many meetings where that was the case... | Mar 19 09:42 |
| Southern_Gentlem | i will try to look over them this weekend as well | Mar 19 09:42 |
| nirik | roguedevil: I have never edited the meeting logs in any way. | Mar 19 09:42 |
| roguedevil | hrm | Mar 19 09:42 |
| roguedevil | must have been someone else i guess | Mar 19 09:43 |
| nirik | we were mostly just good about not mentioning names... but I think that fell apart in 2-3 meetings. | Mar 19 09:43 |
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| EvilBob | it may just be those few meetings that are burned in to memory | Mar 19 09:43 |
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| roguedevil | it will come up again probably | Mar 19 09:44 |
| roguedevil | no namedropping | Mar 19 09:44 |
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| nirik | ok, shall we move along? we will try and XXXX any user names in the logs... | Mar 19 09:46 |
| Southern_Gentlem | move on | Mar 19 09:46 |
| EvilBob | yup I am good | Mar 19 09:46 |
| ---nirik has changed the topic to: IRC Support SIG meeting - ban lists | Mar 19 09:46 | |
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| roguedevil | give thomasj a round of applause everyone! | Mar 19 09:47 |
| nirik | do we want to look at wiping the ban list every quarter or something? Or leave it alone, or make sure they all expire? | Mar 19 09:47 |
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| thomasj | Well, there are a few very nasty people in the ban list. | Mar 19 09:47 |
| thomasj | roguedevil, ha ha ;P | Mar 19 09:47 |
| roguedevil | thomasj: that would have been a perfect opportunity to leave it empty | Mar 19 09:47 |
| Southern_Gentlem | makes a motion to remove all bans from thomasj in ban list except root and tor | Mar 19 09:47 |
| roguedevil | i arrived too late though | Mar 19 09:47 |
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| EvilBob | even "long time" problems go away after a while like porn spammers | Mar 19 09:48 |
| Southern_Gentlem | i am not singleing thomasj out anyway negatively just easier to state it that way | Mar 19 09:48 |
| roguedevil | nirik: but as thomasj pointed out, there are a few that need to be there, but i still think its a good idea to start fresh once in a while | Mar 19 09:48 |
| roguedevil | the scene always changes | Mar 19 09:48 |
| thomasj | I think not just root and tor, there are a few pron spammer in it as well as people just mention rm -rf / in #fedora | Mar 19 09:49 |
| EvilBob | so keeping them in the ban list forever is... impractical | Mar 19 09:49 |
| nirik | did we have tor problems in the past? | Mar 19 09:49 |
| Southern_Gentlem | yes major | Mar 19 09:49 |
| *nirik doesn't recall... that must have been there for ages. | Mar 19 09:49 | |
| EvilBob | if they "do it again" it is not that big of a deal to ban again | Mar 19 09:49 |
| Southern_Gentlem | we were asked to have that ban by freenode | Mar 19 09:49 |
| Southern_Gentlem | nirik, aobut 3 years at this point i am thinking | Mar 19 09:50 |
| nirik | oddly, the freenode web page faq asks not to ban tor. | Mar 19 09:50 |
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| Southern_Gentlem | so lets wipe it all except zcat ban and root | Mar 19 09:51 |
| zcat | nirik, you can still use tor, but there's an extra hoop to jump through | Mar 19 09:51 |
| nirik | zcat ban? we banned zcat? :) | Mar 19 09:51 |
| zcat | my one ban can be removed too. i added it after that ip was klined | Mar 19 09:51 |
| Southern_Gentlem | no the ban that zcat has in the list that has happened since thomasj repopulated the list | Mar 19 09:52 |
| thomasj | Plus boxxy or yxxob, plus domi09 they are still very new. | Mar 19 09:52 |
| roguedevil | in case anyone missed the joke, thomasj blew away the whole banlist the other day during a ban attempt, then re-added them all again | Mar 19 09:52 |
| thomasj | I hope now anyone knows who's the channel clown | Mar 19 09:52 |
| Southern_Gentlem | roguedevil, it is easy to do, i have done it twice | Mar 19 09:52 |
| nirik | I'm fine with wiping it... do we want to try and use the bot for bans with timeouts moving forward? then we don't need to do this later, we can just let the ban time out in a few months or whatever. | Mar 19 09:52 |
| roguedevil | thomasj: i would have said screw it and left it blank :) | Mar 19 09:53 |
| Southern_Gentlem | nirik, i think we look at the ban list once every release | Mar 19 09:53 |
| nirik | on the other hand if we wipe them all once a quarter or something we can know to be ready that day for people coming back. | Mar 19 09:53 |
| roguedevil | and they will come back, and may or may not end up in the banlist again | Mar 19 09:53 |
| zcat | msg fedbot kbanDURATION username|mask reason | Mar 19 09:53 |
| nirik | althought I am not sure if fedbot looses the ban expire info if it's restarted. That might be something to check. | Mar 19 09:54 |
| Southern_Gentlem | motions we examine the ban list about the time beta is released | Mar 19 09:54 |
| roguedevil | people just need to be sure to pay attention to their bans and remember to remove them | Mar 19 09:54 |
| zcat | nirik, ah, right. i know it loses the scheduler announces on restarts. | Mar 19 09:54 |
| thomasj | I think wipe it every 3 months like nirik mentioned is not bad. | Mar 19 09:55 |
| nirik | Southern_Gentlem: that sounds good to me... | Mar 19 09:55 |
| nirik | roguedevil: if they are short the bot is much easier to expire them... but yeah, for long ones make a note of it. ;) | Mar 19 09:55 |
| nirik | +1 to examining the banlist around beta time each cycle... | Mar 19 09:56 |
| roguedevil | i see no real reason for there to be so many bans except that forgotten ones piled up | Mar 19 09:56 |
| Southern_Gentlem | +1 | Mar 19 09:56 |
| thomasj | +1 | Mar 19 09:56 |
| zcat | +1 | Mar 19 09:57 |
| Southern_Gentlem | roguedevil, so if we have a scheduled time to look at them so much the better | Mar 19 09:57 |
| nirik | ok, so for the banlist now... nuke all except tor/root? or those + some small # of recent ones? | Mar 19 09:57 |
| roguedevil | sure | Mar 19 09:58 |
| roguedevil | i cant wait to see who comes back | Mar 19 09:58 |
| *nirik looks at the list. | Mar 19 09:58 | |
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| nirik | ok, I guess we will see. | Mar 19 09:59 |
| Southern_Gentlem | all but root seems to be the consences | Mar 19 09:59 |
| nirik | shall we move on? or any more discussion here? | Mar 19 09:59 |
| nirik | Southern_Gentlem: allowing tor again? | Mar 19 10:00 |
| Southern_Gentlem | yep | Mar 19 10:00 |
| nirik | or should we ask freenode about that? | Mar 19 10:00 |
| Southern_Gentlem | allow until we have problems | Mar 19 10:00 |
| nirik | ok, note the bottom of this page: http://freenode.net/policy.shtml has ban/quiet for tor gateways. | Mar 19 10:00 |
| zcat | the tor ban won't keep out tor users if you jump through freenodes hoops: http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml#tor | Mar 19 10:01 |
| nirik | yeah, I just wonder if it would be any more hassle than mibbit users, but I guess we will see. | Mar 19 10:01 |
| zcat | using their 'hidden service' | Mar 19 10:01 |
| ---nirik has changed the topic to: IRC Support SIG meeting - weekly stats | Mar 19 10:02 | |
| nirik | stats up here: http://theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html | Mar 19 10:02 |
| nirik | pulseaudio keeps being a hot topic. | Mar 19 10:03 |
| nirik | I have some feedback for fenrus02 on that page next I see him. | Mar 19 10:03 |
| nirik | anyone have any thoughts on stats? Oh, if someone is interested in a project, I think it might be cool to have a mrtg/rrdtool graph of # of people in channel over time... | Mar 19 10:04 |
| nirik | see how much spike we get at releases, etc... | Mar 19 10:04 |
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| Southern_Gentlem | the record is 530 at the moment | Mar 19 10:05 |
| Southern_Gentlem | i am suspecting 585 for f11 release | Mar 19 10:05 |
| nirik | also be interesting to see if time of week or alpha/beta cause any changes. | Mar 19 10:05 |
| Southern_Gentlem | mainly the week of looking for leaky mirrors | Mar 19 10:05 |
| thomasj | yeah | Mar 19 10:06 |
| roguedevil | a graph of actual user count over the years would be nice | Mar 19 10:06 |
| nirik | yeah. I can try and make one, but not sure I will have time anytime soon... | Mar 19 10:06 |
| nirik | ok, anything else on stats? | Mar 19 10:07 |
| Southern_Gentlem | thomasj, how do you get those stats | Mar 19 10:07 |
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| thomasj | Southern_Gentlem, i have a channel-peak.pl in irssi | Mar 19 10:07 |
| EvilBob | thomasj: could you also count the number that spoke in a day? | Mar 19 10:08 |
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| EvilBob | <1% LOL | Mar 19 10:08 |
| thomasj | EvilBob, ugh, nah sorry. | Mar 19 10:08 |
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| nirik | yeah, lots of lurkers always. | Mar 19 10:09 |
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| ---nirik has changed the topic to: IRC Support SIG meeting - Open Floor | Mar 19 10:09 | |
| nirik | any other topics/questions/announcements? | Mar 19 10:09 |
| EvilBob | Sometimes I think it would be good just to clear the channel, close it for a few days | Mar 19 10:09 |
| thomasj | EvilBob, well it could be counted with some grep, but not with that little perl thinggy | Mar 19 10:09 |
| EvilBob | then see who comes back | Mar 19 10:09 |
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| EvilBob | there is a great % that have NEVER spoken in the channel | Mar 19 10:10 |
| thomasj | true | Mar 19 10:10 |
| nirik | EvilBob: yeah. Makes you wonder why they are there... | Mar 19 10:11 |
| roguedevil | lurkers are a constant | Mar 19 10:11 |
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| nirik | ok, anything else for now? or shall we call this meeting done? | Mar 19 10:12 |
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| Southern_Gentlem | shoo it | Mar 19 10:12 |
| nirik | thanks for coming everyone! | Mar 19 10:13 |
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