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Attendees
- adamw (86)
- kparal (43)
- tflink (33)
- nirik (29)
- jsmith (9)
- zodbot (7)
- pschindl (6)
- Martix (5)
- jskladan (3)
- spoore (1)
- mkrizek (1)
- paral (0)
Agenda
- F18 status, TC testing preparation
- Multi-image validation
- AutoQA update
- Open floor
F18 status, TC testing preparation
- F18 Alpha TC1 released over the weekend, initial testing indicates it fails to boot or install successfully
- pschindl updated installation results matrix template
- Bug #847418 is also causing issues for F18 users, recommended action: update systemd and re-generate initramfs
- pschindl has some further criteria change proposals to come
- Live image generation is still marked HERE BE DRAGONS: still waiting on koji support for livemedia-creator
Multi-image validation
- No significant feedback: proposal is in this thread
AutoQA update
- kparal enabled f18 testing in autoqa
- rats_sanity is without a maintainer
- autotest package review is almost complete
- Not much progress recently towards the 'enforce package tests in bodhi' goal
Open floor
- The blocker review meetings will be on Wednesday at 16:00 UTC starting this week
- The new blocker tracking page/webapp will soon be moved to fedora infra
IRC Log
| adamw | #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting | 15:00 |
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| zodbot | Meeting started Mon Aug 13 15:00:15 2012 UTC. The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| zodbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | 15:00 |
| adamw | #meetingname fedora-qa | 15:00 |
| zodbot | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' | 15:00 |
| adamw | #topic roll call and snacks | 15:00 |
| adamw | happy, tflink? :) | 15:00 |
| * pschindl is here | 15:00 | |
| * jskladan free food? | 15:00 | |
| * mkrizek here | 15:00 | |
| adamw | jskladan: no, no, no, the idea is you all bring ME snacks | 15:01 |
| * Martix is ready for collisions | 15:01 | |
| * kparal heard something about food | 15:01 | |
| * spoore is here...lurking | 15:01 | |
| * tflink is around | 15:01 | |
| tflink | kparal: that was for the docs meeting, unfortunately :'( | 15:02 |
| jskladan | adamw: aaah, that's the trick - I'll have something for you prepaired on DevConf ;) | 15:02 |
| Martix | jskladan: something spicy? | 15:02 |
| tflink | adamw: wait a second, I think we've been tricked | 15:02 |
| adamw | =) | 15:02 |
| jsmith | tflink: Docs team is sneaky like that :-p | 15:03 |
| adamw | #topic F18 status, TC testing preparation | 15:04 |
| * nirik lurks | 15:04 | |
| adamw | sooo...in case you didn't notice, we have this thing called fedora 18 to test... | 15:04 |
| adamw | Alpha TC1 landed over the weekend, we don't have the validation matrix in place yet | 15:04 |
| adamw | first order of business, does it work? at all? | 15:04 |
| kparal | we have | 15:04 |
| kparal | the matrix | 15:05 |
| kparal | pschindl's done that | 15:05 |
| kparal | he also claims it doesn't boot, and if you make it boot, it doesn't install | 15:05 |
| adamw | ah, excellent, thanks for catching up on that | 15:05 |
| tflink | it sounds like the anaconda devs are aware of the issue and are working on it, though | 15:06 |
| tflink | unless there's another one that I'm not following | 15:06 |
| adamw | ok, so alpha tc1 testing is complete, great job everyone =) | 15:06 |
| adamw | #info F18 Alpha TC1 released over the weekend, initial testing indicates it fails to boot or install successfully | 15:06 |
| adamw | #info pschindl updated installation results matrix template | 15:07 |
| adamw | #chair tflink paral | 15:07 |
| zodbot | Current chairs: adamw paral tflink | 15:07 |
| adamw | grr | 15:07 |
| Martix | and if you upgrade to F18 and boot with 3.6 kernel, you hit boot loop bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=847418 | 15:07 |
| adamw | #undo | 15:07 |
| zodbot | Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Info object at 0x24152790> | 15:07 |
| adamw | #info F18 Alpha TC1 released over the weekend, initial testing indicates it fails to boot or install successfully | 15:07 |
| adamw | siiiigh. can someone please feed me coffee? | 15:07 |
| adamw | #chair kparal | 15:08 |
| zodbot | Current chairs: adamw kparal paral tflink | 15:08 |
| adamw | hi, robatino | 15:08 |
| nirik | Martix: fixed in recent systemd... make sure you have new systemd and re-gen your initramfs. | 15:08 |
| tflink | adamw: you re-did the wrong #info | 15:08 |
| adamw | #undo | 15:08 |
| zodbot | Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Info object at 0x1cc9a710> | 15:08 |
| Martix | nirik: noted, thanks | 15:08 |
| adamw | #info pschindl updated installation results matrix template | 15:08 |
| nirik | at least that worked for me. ;) | 15:08 |
| adamw | #info bug #847418 is also causing issues for f18 users, recommended action: update systemd and re-generate initramfs | 15:09 |
| adamw | ok, the other thing i had on my list for this topic is revising the criteria and test cases | 15:09 |
| adamw | anyone noticed any required changes already? | 15:09 |
| adamw | we'll likely have to edit a large number of the install validation test cases to reflect newui; we may need to adjust the criteria for missing functionality still | 15:10 |
| tflink | I thought we were still waiting somewhat to see what all lands in newui in time for F18 | 15:11 |
| pschindl | adamw: I think that we should wait for working tc and then change everything | 15:11 |
| adamw | pschindl: yeah, having a tc that vaguely works will be a help =) | 15:11 |
| * kparal also votes for changing "everything" :-) | 15:12 | |
| * jskladan would do it real time soon now | 15:12 | |
| pschindl | I know about few changes, that will be needed in criteria, but I'm not sure about how it will work in new ui | 15:12 |
| adamw | pschindl: are those the ones you already proposed to the list, or others? | 15:12 |
| pschindl | adamw: those was only the most critical, which we should resolve firstly | 15:13 |
| adamw | okay | 15:13 |
| adamw | it'd be good to get the other proposals in soon | 15:14 |
| pschindl | the other changes are mostly about rewording current criteria | 15:14 |
| adamw | as for the test cases, i think we can probably just all chip in and update them as we go along | 15:14 |
| adamw | or if someone wants to take a task for doing it systematically that's fine too | 15:14 |
| adamw | #info pschindl has some further criteria change proposals to come | 15:15 |
| adamw | ok, so to summarize our plan of attack: 1) figure out what's wrong with TC1, 2) get a TC2 that works, 3) revise test cases/criteria for newUI changes | 15:17 |
| adamw | does that cover everything f18-y? anything I missed? | 15:17 |
| jsmith | WORKSFORME | 15:18 |
| * nirik is a bit worries about lives... but hopefully we will have something that works by the end of the week | 15:18 | |
| pschindl | yep. I talked to anaconda team and fix could be done till tomorrow | 15:18 |
| adamw | nirik: ah, right, lmc, that's the other thing | 15:19 |
| adamw | nirik: so you tried to build lives with lmc and had issues? | 15:19 |
| nirik | I have not yet... | 15:19 |
| tflink | I thought it was the lack of koji support more than anything | 15:19 |
| adamw | ah, okay. so we haven't even reached the 'trying' stage yet =) | 15:20 |
| adamw | #info live image generation is still marked HERE BE DRAGONS | 15:20 |
| tflink | not in the same env as the lives have always been built in, no | 15:20 |
| nirik | there are no lives with tc1... I don't know if that is due to an issue dgilmore hit or if he didn't get to trying until the koji support is done. | 15:20 |
| tflink | nirik: the TC1 ticket says that it's due to no koji support but he's hoping to get that fixed this week | 15:20 |
| jsmith | I got the idea that we was still working on the koji support | 15:20 |
| jsmith | but it wasn't super-clear | 15:21 |
| nirik | ok. | 15:21 |
| adamw | #info still waiting on koji support for livemedia-creator | 15:21 |
| adamw | alrighty. well, that gives us lots of stuff to fix =) | 15:23 |
| adamw | #topic multi-image validation | 15:24 |
| adamw | so i just threw this on the agenda since it's something that's actively in draft at present | 15:24 |
| kparal | I replied to your emails. current proposal looks good | 15:25 |
| adamw | if anyone hasn't seen it, i put together a draft validation matrix for the multi-desktop and multi-boot images we've been building for the last couple of releases, and we've been trying to refine it: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2012-August/109284.html | 15:25 |
| adamw | kparal: yup, thanks a lot for your feedback | 15:25 |
| adamw | if anyone hasn't seen it, please take a look and contribute any ideas you have...anyone have any thoughts on it that aren't in the thread? | 15:25 |
| adamw | okey dokey, then | 15:27 |
| adamw | moving along | 15:29 |
| jsmith | adamw: I read through it, but didn't have any spectacular ideas -- the proposal looked solid | 15:29 |
| adamw | #topic AutoQA update | 15:29 |
| adamw | just for old times' sake | 15:29 |
| adamw | jsmith: thanks | 15:29 |
| adamw | any big autoqa news lately, autoqa folks? | 15:29 |
| kparal | I enabled F18 testing in AutoQA | 15:29 |
| kparal | that mostly concerns repoclosure, fileconflict and rats_* tests | 15:29 |
| adamw | cool. do we know the status of rats wrt newui? | 15:30 |
| adamw | or is it hampered by the fact we don't appear yet to have any recent newui-based images that work? =) | 15:30 |
| tflink | no text mode == no rats | 15:30 |
| kparal | rats_install is currently broken, I'll work on it once we have usable TC | 15:30 |
| adamw | oh, yeah. | 15:30 |
| kparal | text mode should be included eventually, shouldn't it? | 15:30 |
| adamw | yeah, we don't have a date yet though. | 15:30 |
| tflink | maybe but there is no guarantee that it'll make F18 | 15:30 |
| kparal | hrm, so that's a blocker | 15:31 |
| kparal | but I'll look at it anyway | 15:31 |
| adamw | thanks. | 15:31 |
| kparal | rats_sanity should work ok, but doesn't have a maintainer | 15:31 |
| adamw | #info kparal enabled f18 testing in autoqa | 15:31 |
| adamw | #info rats_sanity is without a maintainer | 15:31 |
| kparal | I hoped twu would take over from hongqing, but he doesn't seem to be receiving my emails | 15:31 |
| kparal | so still looking for volunteers | 15:32 |
| kparal | another news, autotest package review is very close to an end | 15:32 |
| adamw | yaaay | 15:32 |
| kparal | so kudos to mkrizek | 15:32 |
| adamw | #info autotest package review is almost complete | 15:32 |
| adamw | thanks mkrizek! | 15:32 |
| kparal | also kudos to garretraziel (jan sedlak), who wrote an autotest_results_cleanup.py script for us | 15:33 |
| kparal | that makes the results directory half in size and inodes | 15:33 |
| adamw | hey, that's neat. | 15:33 |
| kparal | and that's it for the last week I suppose | 15:34 |
| adamw | coolness. | 15:35 |
| adamw | on a more general topic: what's our progress like towards the 'enforce package tests' goal? | 15:35 |
| tflink | not much, unfortunately | 15:36 |
| kparal | I was about to reply 'none at all' | 15:36 |
| kparal | at least lately | 15:36 |
| adamw | i think tflink was putting a positive spin on 'none at all' =) | 15:37 |
| tflink | eh, it's more than 0 ... just not much more than 0 :) | 15:37 |
| adamw | well, that sucks. let's do not that in future. i have now discharged my managerial obligations! | 15:37 |
| kparal | we're terrible project planners | 15:37 |
| adamw | #info not much progress recently towards the 'enforce package tests in bodhi' goal | 15:38 |
| adamw | okay, anything else for autoqa, anyone? | 15:38 |
| kparal | nope | 15:39 |
| adamw | alrighty | 15:40 |
| adamw | #topic open floor | 15:40 |
| tflink | Just a reminder: The blocker review meetings will be on Wednesday at 16:00 UTC starting this week | 15:40 |
| adamw | so, anyone have anything else to talk about? the weather, who should be the drummer for the who, cat grooming tips... | 15:40 |
| adamw | okay, OR you could be boring and say something on-topic and to the point, yeesh. | 15:41 |
| adamw | #info The blocker review meetings will be on Wednesday at 16:00 UTC starting this week | 15:41 |
| * kparal likes | 15:41 | |
| tflink | at some point (hopefuly soon), the blocker tracking app will be moved to fedora infra and the source will be released | 15:42 |
| kparal | have we decided on the hostname already? | 15:42 |
| adamw | #info the new blocker tracking page/webapp will soon be moved to fedora infra | 15:42 |
| tflink | there was some question on whether using qa.fedoraproject.org would mess with the internal subdomain | 15:42 |
| tflink | no decision was reached, no | 15:43 |
| tflink | too many nos in that sentance | 15:43 |
| kparal | I don't personally like using subdomain in this case | 15:43 |
| tflink | kparal: not sure I follow you there, maybe I'm not being clear | 15:44 |
| tflink | there is no external qa.fp.o subdomain - it only exists internally | 15:44 |
| nirik | it should/will be reachable via qa01.dev.fedoraproject.org... but if you want another cname going to it, we just need to decide what. ;) | 15:44 |
| nirik | and setting it to qa.fedoraproject.org might work, or might blow up the internal only qa.fedoraproject.org zone. | 15:44 |
| tflink | apparently, nirik types faster than I do :) | 15:45 |
| kparal | so we don't know whether it would work? | 15:45 |
| adamw | what's an 'internal only qa.fedoraproject.org zone' when it's at home? | 15:45 |
| nirik | I don't. I guess we could try it, or pick another name. | 15:45 |
| kparal | let's push the red button | 15:45 |
| kparal | and try it | 15:45 |
| nirik | adamw: there is a 'qa.fedoraproject.org' zone... it's not public on the net tho, it's only available to servers in phx2. | 15:46 |
| adamw | oh, i see. | 15:46 |
| tflink | adamw: it's all of the autoqa machines, mostly | 15:46 |
| nirik | so autoqa01.qa.fedoraproject.org is an internal dns name... | 15:46 |
| nirik | but that won't resolve in the public internet. | 15:46 |
| kparal | the internal zone can be renamed, if needed? | 15:46 |
| nirik | sure, it would be a hassle, but sure. | 15:46 |
| kparal | hmm | 15:46 |
| nirik | or you could just do 'qa-blockers.fedoraproject.org' or something? | 15:47 |
| * nirik doesn't know it needs too much bikesedding. | 15:47 | |
| kparal | but public qa.fedoraproject.org is so pretty..... | 15:47 |
| nirik | if thats what you guys prefer, we can try it/do it. ;) | 15:47 |
| kparal | and I imagine more apps will run there in the future | 15:47 |
| kparal | not just blocker bugs app | 15:47 |
| tflink | kparal: the vm we'll use isn't meant to be a permanent solution | 15:47 |
| kparal | no, but the VM can be changed and the hostname can stay, right? | 15:48 |
| nirik | yeah, it would/should move to a qa01.stg then a 'qa01' in production when it's ready. | 15:48 |
| nirik | yes, changing it is easy, it's just dns. ;) | 15:48 |
| kparal | if it's not much of a problem, I'd like to try whether public qa.fp.o works | 15:48 |
| nirik | sure, we can. | 15:49 |
| kparal | if it doesn't, let's decide on another name | 15:49 |
| tflink | kparal: says the guy who's about to sign off and won't be around to fix any explosions :-P | 15:49 |
| tflink | :-D | 15:49 |
| nirik | hum. | 15:49 |
| kparal | hiding in a bunker is the best way to survive, you know | 15:50 |
| * tflink is also for trying it, anyways | 15:50 | |
| nirik | we already seem to have a qa.fedoraproject.org record. | 15:50 |
| nirik | but I am unsure where it points. | 15:50 |
| adamw | it doesn't work out here. | 15:50 |
| kparal | doesn't resolve for me | 15:50 |
| Martix | qa.fedoraproject.org has address 209.132.181.30 | 15:50 |
| nirik | yeah, thats what I get... ^ | 15:51 |
| tflink | same here | 15:51 |
| nirik | I'll try and track it down. | 15:51 |
| nirik | I don't know what would break by repointing it. ;) | 15:51 |
| tflink | any other suggestions for hostname if the qa.fp.o doesn't work out? | 15:52 |
| kparal | let's discuss it when it really doesn't | 15:52 |
| tflink | works for me | 15:52 |
| nirik | f18blockers.fedoraproject.org ? ;) | 15:52 |
| nirik | thats fine too. | 15:53 |
| * nirik will investigate, get back to you all | 15:53 | |
| kparal | thanks | 15:53 |
| * tflink needs to learn him some pgsql admin before the app comes up, anyways | 15:53 | |
| adamw | OK | 15:53 |
| adamw | so, anything else? | 15:53 |
| jsmith | tflink: I'm happy to help in that regard, if you have specific questions or need some help | 15:54 |
| tflink | jsmith: I just have no idea how to set up pgsql, to be honest. I'm trying to work through the docs ATM on a local VM before I set up the dev vm | 15:54 |
| adamw | alrighty, sounds like we're about done | 15:56 |
| jsmith | tflink: OK, just general install pgsql, set up access, create users and database -- that sort of thing? | 15:56 |
| adamw | thanks for coming out everyone...looks like we have lots of stuff to do =) | 15:56 |
| jsmith | tflink: I'll help you after the meeting | 15:56 |
| * adamw sets fuse for X minutes | 15:56 | |
| tflink | jsmith: yeah, this sounds like something non-meeting related | 15:56 |
| * jsmith cuts the fuse in half | 15:57 | |
| adamw | meeting explodes in jsmith's face | 15:58 |
| adamw | #endmeeting | 15:58 |
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