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| colspan="2" | *nirik starts looking around for folks here for the Xfce SIG meeting. 
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| colspan="2" | ---cwickert has changed the topic to: "XFCE SIG Meeting"
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | afternoon cwickert 
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|- id="tJun 10 14:59:45"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | hi nirik
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! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | do we want to start the first Xfce SIG meeting now, although we are only two presons?
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|- id="tJun 10 15:00:40"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | we could do a short meeting... also leave a few minutes for other folks to show up. 
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|- id="tJun 10 15:02:07"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | not sure if Rahul and John will attend, I did not receive any feedback from them
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|- id="tJun 10 15:02:08"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | although if just 2 of us are here, it sounds like this time is not good for more people. 
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | yeah, I didn't either... 
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | mether: you around?
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! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | yeah
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | so, topics I wanted to go over (in no particular order): Xfce live media, outstanding bugs we have now, enhancements progress for f10, getting more folks involved (bug triagers? docs folks?)
|| [[#tJun 10 15:03:34|Jun 10 15:03]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:03:53"
! style="background-color: #854685" | kanarip
| style="color: #854685" | !
|| [[#tJun 10 15:03:53|Jun 10 15:03]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:04:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | any other ajenda items folks would like to put forward? 
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|- id="tJun 10 15:04:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | kanarip: go ahead
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|- id="tJun 10 15:04:27"
! style="background-color: #854685" | kanarip
| style="color: #854685" | XFCE Live media (or live media in general) is to become a "Feature" - and should thus be finished during the appropriate freezes etc
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|- id="tJun 10 15:04:54"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | kanarip: great. How about a F9 one? 
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|- id="tJun 10 15:04:56"
! style="background-color: #854685" | kanarip
| style="color: #854685" | i recommend you (or the spin maintainers) request access to the gitspin-kickstarts group (which mether already has)
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|- id="tJun 10 15:05:16"
! style="background-color: #854685" | kanarip
| style="color: #854685" | nirik, that has been requested (ticket #24 at rel-eng on their hosted space)
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|- id="tJun 10 15:05:37"
! style="background-color: #854685" | kanarip
| style="color: #854685" | as i understood from mether that the current kickstart is GOLDEN for F-9
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|- id="tJun 10 15:05:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | ok, great. Thanks for the info. 
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|- id="tJun 10 15:05:58"
! style="background-color: #854685" | kanarip
| style="color: #854685" | it's a heads-up for what is going to happen for F-10
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|- id="tJun 10 15:06:18"
! style="background-color: #854685" | kanarip
| style="color: #854685" | eof
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|- id="tJun 10 15:06:24"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | so what's the problem with the F9 Xfce spin?
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|- id="tJun 10 15:06:29"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | nirik: cwickert, you might want to git clone the repo and look at the ks file just to see if there is anything else to be done but I think I have made all the changes we discussed earlier
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|- id="tJun 10 15:06:44"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | cwickert: there isnt any problem as such. rel-eng just has to do it
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|- id="tJun 10 15:06:48"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | cwickert: I think it's just waiting to be spun (is that a word?)
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|- id="tJun 10 15:06:57"
! style="background-color: #854685" | kanarip
| style="color: #854685" | git clone git://git.fedorahosted.org/spin-kickstarts.git
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|- id="tJun 10 15:07:02"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | mether: ok, thanks
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|- id="tJun 10 15:07:11"
| colspan="2" | *kanarip off again
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | yeah, last I looked at the ks it looked all good. Thanks again for working on it mether. 
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|- id="tJun 10 15:07:32"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | Although I think having the spin SIG get access to do it would be good
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! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | nirik: np.
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|- id="tJun 10 15:07:47"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | anything more on live media? or shall we move on ? 
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|- id="tJun 10 15:08:06"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | kanarip: do you know when the spins are going to be released?
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|- id="tJun 10 15:09:11"
| colspan="2" | ---nirik has changed the topic to: Xfce SIG - outstanding bugs
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|- id="tJun 10 15:09:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | I have a quick and dirty tinyurl for outstanding open bugs (I'm sure I missed some packages): http://preview.tinyurl.com/6s8s4a
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|- id="tJun 10 15:10:22"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | nirik: might want to insert that in the SIG page
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|- id="tJun 10 15:10:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | The two bugging me right now are the "xfce-settings-show doesn't work" and "reboot/shutdown don't work from quit in Xfce"... I can't duplicate either, and haven't gotten much response from reporters. 
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|- id="tJun 10 15:10:47"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | mether: good idea... it might need some more tweaking, but I can do that. 
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|- id="tJun 10 15:11:38"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | nirik: post to fedora-devel list and see if anyone else can reproduce it?
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|- id="tJun 10 15:12:00"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | might be worth a shot... or fedora-list? (I don't subscribe there tho)
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|- id="tJun 10 15:12:15"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | or set them to needinfo and close them if the reporters do not respoind within two weeks
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|- id="tJun 10 15:12:53"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | also an option... it's been reported several times tho, which makes me think there is a real bug going on. 
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! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | well yes, asking explicitly for small help usually does get good responses
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|- id="tJun 10 15:13:27"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | in any of the lists
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|- id="tJun 10 15:13:36"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | any other outstanding bugs anyone would like to discuss? 
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|- id="tJun 10 15:13:51"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | but I guess the bug is not in xfce-session but has something to do with dbus
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|- id="tJun 10 15:14:01"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | ristretto review
|| [[#tJun 10 15:14:01|Jun 10 15:14]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:14:17"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | yeah, just haven't gotten to it... was planning on it soon. 
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|- id="tJun 10 15:14:18"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=351531
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|- id="tJun 10 15:14:19"
! style="background-color: #488888" | bugbot_
| style="color: #488888" | Bug 351531: medium, medium, ---, Nobody's working on this, feel free to take it, NEW , Review Request: ristretto - Image-viewer for the Xfce desktop environment
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|- id="tJun 10 15:14:21"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | got real busy. ;( 
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|- id="tJun 10 15:14:40"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | I can go ahead and take it now, and try and review later tonight... 
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|- id="tJun 10 15:15:11"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | the problem ist that ristretto is still crashing on rawhide, but works fine here in F9
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | I wasn't seeing the crash... but yeah, I was testing with f9. 
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! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | isnt the same case for the new xfce archiver too?
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | I can test in rawhide when I do the review too. 
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! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | mether: huh? first time I hear that
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! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | squeeze
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|- id="tJun 10 15:16:23"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | squeeze crashes everywhere for me. 
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! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | right
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|- id="tJun 10 15:16:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | well, s/crashes/takes up all memory and locks the machine/
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! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | iirc, it is the same upstream for both these components
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|- id="tJun 10 15:16:46"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | I thought you were talking about xarchiver
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! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | cwickert: i didnt remember the name squeeze earlier which is why i said new xfce archiver
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! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | np
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | I can poke upstream about squeeze too... again. 
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|- id="tJun 10 15:17:55"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | why is it that we are the only distribution seeing it
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|- id="tJun 10 15:17:57"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | any ideas?
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|- id="tJun 10 15:18:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | there was a recent update that claimed to fix crashing... but didn't seem to make it better here. 
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! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | ok
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|- id="tJun 10 15:19:13"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | how much are we in touch with upstream and other distribution xfce maintainers?
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|- id="tJun 10 15:19:26"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | in general, not just specific to these crashes
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|- id="tJun 10 15:19:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | bug 433174 is the squeeze review BTW
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|- id="tJun 10 15:19:43"
! style="background-color: #488888" | bugbot_
| style="color: #488888" | Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=433174 medium, medium, ---, Christoph Wickert, ASSIGNED , Review Request: squeeze -  A modern and advanced archive manager for the Xfce Desktop Environment
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|- id="tJun 10 15:19:59"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | I am on all the upstream lists... but I don't post there too much... 
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|- id="tJun 10 15:20:19"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | note that squeeze and ristretto are not part of core Xfce.
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|- id="tJun 10 15:20:37"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | well not much is
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | yeah. 
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|- id="tJun 10 15:21:29"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | I dont mind us waiting till we get the crashes fixed before putting them in the repo or the spin
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|- id="tJun 10 15:21:49"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | i see both xubuntu and the new Mandriva Xfce live cd ship these as default however
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|- id="tJun 10 15:22:18"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | yeah, might be worth looking at if they have patches for the issues we are seeing, but have not upstreamed them. 
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|- id="tJun 10 15:22:47"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | patches in all xfce related packages for other distros is something we need to keep an eye on
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|- id="tJun 10 15:23:04"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | i see lots of patches in other distributions and dont know their upstream status
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|- id="tJun 10 15:23:29"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | I'm in contact with some of the goodies devs, but none of them is maintainer I think
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|- id="tJun 10 15:23:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | sure. Would be nice if there was an easy way to find those instead of poking around in each place... 
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|- id="tJun 10 15:24:35"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | ok, shall we move on to looking forward for f10?
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|- id="tJun 10 15:24:41"
| colspan="2" | ---Xfce :Unknown command
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|- id="tJun 10 15:24:45"
| colspan="2" | ---nirik has changed the topic to: Xfce SIG - F10 ideas
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! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/TrackingUpstream
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|- id="tJun 10 15:24:56"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | thats the best thing we got now
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|- id="tJun 10 15:25:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | sadly, I seem to be seeing the DNS snafu here and fedoraproject.org isn't resolving right now. ;( I can look later tho. 
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|- id="tJun 10 15:25:37"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | is there any plans upstream for a new Xfce release?
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|- id="tJun 10 15:25:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | 4.6 is in progress, but I wouldn't count on anything in the F10 timeframe. 
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|- id="tJun 10 15:26:16"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | so what are the ideas for Fedora 10?
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|- id="tJun 10 15:26:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | we should finish getting the fedora icon for the menu... 
|| [[#tJun 10 15:26:28|Jun 10 15:26]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:26:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | any other appearance/look changes done (eariler this time)
|| [[#tJun 10 15:26:42|Jun 10 15:26]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:26:52"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | xfce 4.6 is scheduled for 28th of September 2008
|| [[#tJun 10 15:26:52|Jun 10 15:26]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:27:04"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | according to http://wiki.xfce.org/milestones_to_46
|| [[#tJun 10 15:27:04|Jun 10 15:27]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:27:15"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | well, they were trying to schedule. I don't know that they really got buy in from everyone on that. 
|| [[#tJun 10 15:27:15|Jun 10 15:27]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:28:03"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | when is f10 feature freeze? do we know yet?
|| [[#tJun 10 15:28:03|Jun 10 15:28]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:29:02"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/10/Schedule
|| [[#tJun 10 15:29:02|Jun 10 15:29]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:29:21"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | 2008-08-19
|| [[#tJun 10 15:29:21|Jun 10 15:29]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:30:13"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | so it is most likely that 4.6 will not make it into F10
|| [[#tJun 10 15:30:13|Jun 10 15:30]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:31:36"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | yes, I think we can assume it wouldn't
|| [[#tJun 10 15:31:36|Jun 10 15:31]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:32:49"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | sorry, phone
|| [[#tJun 10 15:32:49|Jun 10 15:32]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:32:50"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | F10 devel freeze is only two days after the planned release of 4.6 which is a very small time frame
|| [[#tJun 10 15:32:50|Jun 10 15:32]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:33:52"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | well if the release is just the matter of tagging the same content, then it is ok
|| [[#tJun 10 15:33:52|Jun 10 15:33]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:34:12"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | it depends on how well upstream as well as Fedora stick to their schedules
|| [[#tJun 10 15:34:12|Jun 10 15:34]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:34:48"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | if we can introduce a new release earlier in the development cycle, we can safely tag it close to or even slightly after a feature freeze
|| [[#tJun 10 15:34:48|Jun 10 15:34]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:35:30"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | Xfce upstream release schedules so far appear to be pretty ad-hoc so I wouldnt rely on that too much yet
|| [[#tJun 10 15:35:30|Jun 10 15:35]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:35:51"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | the problem with xfce 4.6 is that they will micrate from xfce-mcs-manager to a new settings framework called xfconf
|| [[#tJun 10 15:35:51|Jun 10 15:35]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:36:04"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | it will take some time till all plugins etc are ported
|| [[#tJun 10 15:36:04|Jun 10 15:36]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:38:53"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | upstream xfce should take a closer look at dconf and gio. we cant really influence that much
|| [[#tJun 10 15:38:53|Jun 10 15:38]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:39:27"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | what about suspend/resume support?
|| [[#tJun 10 15:39:27|Jun 10 15:39]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:39:46"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | any way to tackle that for Fedora 10?
|| [[#tJun 10 15:39:46|Jun 10 15:39]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:40:28"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | long term plan is to write an own app called xfpower
|| [[#tJun 10 15:40:28|Jun 10 15:40]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:41:01"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | other distros seemed to have hacked in g-p-m or something meanwhile
|| [[#tJun 10 15:41:01|Jun 10 15:41]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:41:55"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | sorry, emerg from client. ;( Off phone now. 
|| [[#tJun 10 15:41:55|Jun 10 15:41]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:42:01"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | by now we have the following options: a) gnome-power-manager b) battery applet 4 Xfce4 panel from http://ali.slackware.googlepages.com/ or c) the hal based branch of xfce4-battery applet
|| [[#tJun 10 15:42:01|Jun 10 15:42]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:42:50"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | I think for 4.6 we will need to just watch and see where we are in the cycle when they start getting close to releases... I really suspect it won't make F10 tho. 
|| [[#tJun 10 15:42:50|Jun 10 15:42]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:42:57"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | b) works fine for me but seems to be stalled upstream, because the maintainer did not know of c) when we wrote it
|| [[#tJun 10 15:42:57|Jun 10 15:42]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:43:31"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | nirik: agreed, we only can wait for releases
|| [[#tJun 10 15:43:31|Jun 10 15:43]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:44:02"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | there was also a GSoC plan to get someone to work on a xfpower, but Xfce got turned down this year... so that didn't happen. 
|| [[#tJun 10 15:44:02|Jun 10 15:44]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:44:23"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | really? I did not know that
|| [[#tJun 10 15:44:23|Jun 10 15:44]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:44:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | http://wiki.xfce.org/gsoc-2008-ideas
|| [[#tJun 10 15:44:52|Jun 10 15:44]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:44:55"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | which of the options is good for us to pick?
|| [[#tJun 10 15:44:55|Jun 10 15:44]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:45:00"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | at this point
|| [[#tJun 10 15:45:00|Jun 10 15:45]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:45:16"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | rather than waiting for a long time for upstream to develop a solution
|| [[#tJun 10 15:45:16|Jun 10 15:45]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:45:58"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | I did some testing with the battery applet 4 Xfce4 panel and for me it works fine. you can grab a package from http://cwickert.fedorapeople.org/xfce4/battery-applet-4-xfce4-0.9-1.fc10.src.rpm
|| [[#tJun 10 15:45:58|Jun 10 15:45]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:46:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | perhaps we should all evaluate the options and decide after looking at them? I haven't really looked at them all... 
|| [[#tJun 10 15:46:34|Jun 10 15:46]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:46:50"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | the hal based xfce4-battery-plugin will not be released before Xfce 4.6
|| [[#tJun 10 15:46:50|Jun 10 15:46]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:47:10"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | is this yet another one: http://svn.xfce.org/svn/kelnos/xfce-power-manager/trunk/ ?
|| [[#tJun 10 15:47:10|Jun 10 15:47]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:47:22"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | that seems
|| [[#tJun 10 15:47:22|Jun 10 15:47]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:47:33"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | a abandoned fork of g-p-m
|| [[#tJun 10 15:47:33|Jun 10 15:47]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:47:36"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | interesting...
|| [[#tJun 10 15:47:36|Jun 10 15:47]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:48:48"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | will take a look at it later, for now I agree with Kevin that we should evaluate all options first and decide on them later
|| [[#tJun 10 15:48:48|Jun 10 15:48]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:49:03"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | any other plans for F10?
|| [[#tJun 10 15:49:03|Jun 10 15:49]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:49:03"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | ok then
|| [[#tJun 10 15:49:03|Jun 10 15:49]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:49:18"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | xfburn 0.3 was released last week
|| [[#tJun 10 15:49:18|Jun 10 15:49]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:49:46"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | I have started to package it but unfortunately it needs a newer libburn, so I filed a RFE
|| [[#tJun 10 15:49:46|Jun 10 15:49]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:50:17"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | ok btw
|| [[#tJun 10 15:50:17|Jun 10 15:50]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:50:20"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | brasero
|| [[#tJun 10 15:50:20|Jun 10 15:50]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:50:27"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=450264
|| [[#tJun 10 15:50:27|Jun 10 15:50]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:50:28"
! style="background-color: #488888" | bugbot_
| style="color: #488888" | Bug 450264: low, low, ---, Jesse Keating, NEW , RFE: Please upgrade to 0.4.8
|| [[#tJun 10 15:50:28|Jun 10 15:50]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:50:32"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | has dropped some spurious dependencies in the latest svn branch
|| [[#tJun 10 15:50:32|Jun 10 15:50]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:50:33"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | f13
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | cwickert: whoops, I saw that, I'll get on that soon
|| [[#tJun 10 15:50:33|Jun 10 15:50]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:50:41"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | f13
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | cwickert: like tomorrow perhaps
|| [[#tJun 10 15:50:41|Jun 10 15:50]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:50:49"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | any news on the icon in fedora-logos? 
|| [[#tJun 10 15:50:49|Jun 10 15:50]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:50:53"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | f13  thanks
|| [[#tJun 10 15:50:53|Jun 10 15:50]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:50:56"
| colspan="2" | *nirik should have cc'ed on that bug... 
|| [[#tJun 10 15:50:56|Jun 10 15:50]]
|- id="tJun 10 15:50:57"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | f13
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | cwickert: actually, I thikn that package has cvsextras commit access, you're welcome to update it if I don't get there first
|| [[#tJun 10 15:50:57|Jun 10 15:50]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:51:32"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | ok, I can commit the changes I made locally but it needs some more testing
|| [[#tJun 10 15:51:32|Jun 10 15:51]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:51:51"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | f13
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | cool
|| [[#tJun 10 15:51:51|Jun 10 15:51]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:52:03"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | nirik: unfortunatly not, but
|| [[#tJun 10 15:52:03|Jun 10 15:52]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:52:16"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | the bug is already filed
|| [[#tJun 10 15:52:16|Jun 10 15:52]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:52:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | yeah, just added myself to cc on it. 
|| [[#tJun 10 15:52:24|Jun 10 15:52]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:52:29"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=445986
|| [[#tJun 10 15:52:29|Jun 10 15:52]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:52:30"
! style="background-color: #488888" | bugbot_
| style="color: #488888" | Bug 445986: low, low, ---, David Zeuthen, NEW , RFE: Include a fedora logo for the Xfce panel
|| [[#tJun 10 15:52:30|Jun 10 15:52]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:52:45"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | you are not cc'ed there
|| [[#tJun 10 15:52:45|Jun 10 15:52]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:53:01"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | reload it? I am now. 
|| [[#tJun 10 15:53:01|Jun 10 15:53]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:53:15"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | ok, just needed to refresh the page
|| [[#tJun 10 15:53:15|Jun 10 15:53]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:53:50"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | ok, shall we move on? 
|| [[#tJun 10 15:53:50|Jun 10 15:53]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:54:04"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | yes. more ideas for F10?
|| [[#tJun 10 15:54:04|Jun 10 15:54]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:54:11"
| colspan="2" | ---nirik has changed the topic to: Xfce SIG - recruiting new folks
|| [[#tJun 10 15:54:11|Jun 10 15:54]]
|- id="tJun 10 15:54:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | I don't have any more F10 ideas off the top of my head... 
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|- id="tJun 10 15:54:33"
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|- id="tJun 10 15:54:42"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | ok, move on then
|| [[#tJun 10 15:54:42|Jun 10 15:54]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:55:02"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | I would like to try and get some more folks interested... would be good to get some docs and/or triage people interested... or just end users that provide feedback. 
|| [[#tJun 10 15:55:02|Jun 10 15:55]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:55:10"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | any thoughts on how to do that?
|| [[#tJun 10 15:55:10|Jun 10 15:55]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:55:48"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | I have a coulple of xfce users at the german fedoraforum.de whom I usually ask for feedback
|| [[#tJun 10 15:55:48|Jun 10 15:55]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:56:16"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | there are a few on #fedora I help out occasionally. 
|| [[#tJun 10 15:56:16|Jun 10 15:56]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:56:35"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | but noone of them is a fedora contributor, so I think I have to convince them to become one
|| [[#tJun 10 15:56:35|Jun 10 15:56]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:56:54"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | even just ideas/feedback on things that they would like to see might be good... 
|| [[#tJun 10 15:56:54|Jun 10 15:56]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:57:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | I can try and ping #fedora and #fedora-devel before meetings, and perhaps advertise in the mailing lists again,. 
|| [[#tJun 10 15:57:24|Jun 10 15:57]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:57:31"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | yeah, especially feedback in bugzilla would help. will start a call at fedoraforum.de
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|- id="tJun 10 15:57:41"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | do we want to do weekly or bi-weekly meetings? 
|| [[#tJun 10 15:57:41|Jun 10 15:57]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:58:28"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mether
| style="color: #818144" | bi weekly should be enough
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|- id="tJun 10 15:58:39"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | +1 IMO bi-weekly meetings are enough, we could switch to weekly meetings when it gets more
|| [[#tJun 10 15:58:39|Jun 10 15:58]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:58:49"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | sounds good to me. 
|| [[#tJun 10 15:58:49|Jun 10 15:58]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:58:58"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | any further business?
|| [[#tJun 10 15:58:58|Jun 10 15:58]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:59:05"
| colspan="2" | ---nirik has changed the topic to: Xfce SIG - open floor
|| [[#tJun 10 15:59:05|Jun 10 15:59]]
|- id="tJun 10 15:59:07"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | some more status reports
|| [[#tJun 10 15:59:07|Jun 10 15:59]] 
|- id="tJun 10 15:59:34"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | places plugin with support for mountpoints with UUID has been released, will do the update tonight
|| [[#tJun 10 15:59:34|Jun 10 15:59]] 
|- id="tJun 10 16:00:14"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | well, if the buildsys is available
|| [[#tJun 10 16:00:14|Jun 10 16:00]] 
|- id="tJun 10 16:00:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | cool!
|| [[#tJun 10 16:00:31|Jun 10 16:00]] 
|- id="tJun 10 16:00:52"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | that's all I have, I think the rest is on good shape
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|- id="tJun 10 16:01:54"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | excellent. Thanks for coming. Hopefully we will have more folks next time. 
|| [[#tJun 10 16:01:54|Jun 10 16:01]] 
|- id="tJun 10 16:02:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | I will add the log to the wiki whenever I can reach it again... unless one of you wants to beat me to it. 
|| [[#tJun 10 16:02:13|Jun 10 16:02]] 
|- id="tJun 10 16:02:50"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | --- Xfce SIG meeting end -- 
|| [[#tJun 10 16:02:50|Jun 10 16:02]] 
|- id="tJun 10 16:02:54"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | can you also write the meeting minutes?
|| [[#tJun 10 16:02:54|Jun 10 16:02]] 
|- id="tJun 10 16:02:59"
| colspan="2" | ---nirik has changed the topic to: Channel is used by various Fedora groups and committees for their regular meetings | Note that meetings often get logged | For questions about using Fedora please ask in #fedora | See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel for meeting schedule
|| [[#tJun 10 16:02:59|Jun 10 16:02]]
|- id="tJun 10 16:03:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik
| style="color: #407a40" | sure. 
|| [[#tJun 10 16:03:09|Jun 10 16:03]] 
|- id="tJun 10 16:03:13"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | cwickert
| style="color: #42427e" | thanks
|| [[#tJun 10 16:03:13|Jun 10 16:03]] 
|- id="tJun 10 16:06:59"
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