QA/Meetings/20130603

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Attendees

  • adamw (65)
  • kparal (19)
  • mjg59 (12)
  • jreznik (11)
  • tflink (9)
  • brunowolff (5)
  • zodbot (5)
  • j_dulaney (3)
  • satellit (3)
  • jskladan (1)
  • nirik (1)

Agenda

  • Previous meeting follow-up
  • Fedora 19 Final planning
  • Test Days
  • Open floor

Previous meeting follow-up

  • adamw and anyone else to work on updating Common_F19_bugs - this was done, page is up to date for Beta
  • adamw to talk to rbergeron and make sure packagekit/policykit issue makes it into the beta release notes - this was done, issue was called out in the release announcement, slashdot has not crucified us
  • adamw to complete 'new model' criteria revision by converting the final criteria - this is currently in progress, aimed to be complete by Wednesday's blocker review meeting
  • tflink to update the iscsi test case for newUI - not done yet, but planned soon
  • tflink to schedule first blocker review meeting for this week - this was done, the meeting went ahead
  • adamw to look at extracting some test cases from Test_Day:2013-05-21_AnacondaNewUI_Followup for use as optional test cases (or even enforceable partitioning test cases) for the validation matrices - not done yet, but more of a long-term goal for F20
  • martix to ensure spice test day is ready on time - it was ready and went ahead fine
  • satellit_e to work on some test cases for SoaS - an initial plan is available

Fedora 19 Final planning

  • TC1 was due 2013-06-04, adamw would ensure it got composed
  • mjg59 informed us a kernel patch is coming which ought to resolve most of the UEFI variable space issues; it should be included in TC1

Test Days

Open floor

Action items

  • adamw to mark LLVMpipe-without-SSE2 bug as needing a release note and explain why to docs team

IRC Log

adamw #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting 15:00
zodbot Meeting started Mon Jun 3 15:00:50 2013 UTC. The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00
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adamw #meetingname fedora-qa 15:00
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adamw #topic Roll call 15:00
adamw morning folks, who's ready for fun? 15:01
* jreznik is ready for another meeting in a row 15:01
* jskladan tips his hat 15:01
* j_dulaney lurks 15:01
* satellit listening in Bellingham motel 15:01
tflink jreznik: /me is here 15:01
tflink huh, that didn't work 15:02
* kparal here 15:02
* brunowolff is here 15:04
* nirik is lurking as well 15:04
* adamw really needs to get that anti-lurking kit installed 15:05
* jreznik is working on an announcement for the devel-announce list, needs anti-lurking kit as he's more lurking now :) 15:05
adamw #topic previous meeting follow-up 15:06
adamw #info "adamw and anyone else to work on updating Common_F19_bugs" - I got that one done, it's pretty much up to date 15:07
adamw #info "adamw to talk to rbergeron and make sure packagekit/policykit issue makes it into the beta release notes" - yup, got a mention of it into the release announcement, and no crazy slashdot conspiracy theories yet 15:07
adamw #info "adamw to complete 'new model' criteria revision by converting the final criteria" - I started working on that Friday, I'll aim to complete it today or tomorrow 15:07
adamw "tflink to update the iscsi test case for newUI" - tflink? 15:08
tflink not done yet, on my todo list for today 15:08
adamw .fire tflink first of the week 15:09
zodbot adamw fires tflink first of the week 15:09
adamw aw, no bot in here? boo. 15:09
adamw yay! 15:09
adamw #info "tflink to update the iscsi test case for newUI" - not done yet but should be soon 15:09
adamw #info "tflink to schedule first blocker review meeting for this week" - that was done, we had two review meetings last week 15:10
adamw #info "adamw to look at extracting some test cases from Test_Day:2013-05-21_AnacondaNewUI_Followup for use as optional test cases (or even enforceable partitioning test cases) for the validation matrices" - not done yet but it's kind of a long-term plan, it's on my todo list 15:10
adamw #info "martix to ensure spice test day is ready on time" - that seemed to be sorted out fine 15:10
adamw #info "satellit_e to work on some test cases for SoaS" - satellit drafted up some ideas at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Fedora_19-sugar_test_cases 15:11
satellit SoaS test cases? list of ideas http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Fedora_19-sugar_test_cases 15:12
satellit  : ) 15:12
adamw  :) 15:12
adamw sorry i didn't get a sec to review them yet, i'll do it today 15:12
adamw any other follow-up items I missed? 15:12
brunowolff I retested llvmpipe on a particular non-SSE2 CPU and it's still broken. 15:13
adamw ah yeah I saw your comment 15:16
adamw that's a bit of a pain. and you might be right about advising people with old machines to grab something other than GNOME 15:16
adamw we could probably mark the bug as requiring a release note for that 15:16
adamw #action adamw to mark LLVMpipe-without-SSE2 bug as needing a release note and explain why to docs team 15:17
adamw #topic Fedora 19 Final planning 15:19
adamw #info TC1 is due tomorrow, 2013-06-04, I will request the compose then 15:20
adamw do we have any major worries at this point, or things we need to get in place soon? 15:20
* adamw can't think of anything urgent beyond the revised criteria 15:20
kparal the sooner we have TC1 the better. let's request today :) 15:21
tflink have we done much upgrade testing? I've seen several comments and bugs, but wasn't sure how much poking has been done so far 15:21
* jreznik would not be against requesting it sooner, if there's nothing we really want in tc1 15:21
kparal I did some upgrade testing on UEFI 15:21
jreznik poor kparal touching UEFI 15:22
* kparal now has a master's degree in bios re-flashing 15:23
adamw tflink: quite a few people have run fedup I think, and we did fill the matrix for beta 15:24
adamw kparal: :) 15:24
tflink adamw: yeah, I was just thinking about the less-straightforward configs that ended up causing trouble after F18 release 15:24
mjg59 adamw: We should finally have a patch that resolves most of the UEFI variable issues 15:25
adamw right, that's another area we could do with more test cases 15:26
adamw mjg59: yay! so there _were_ still issues on the kenrel side? 15:26
adamw what's the timeframe on landing that? 15:26
mjg59 adamw: Well, no. Issues on the firmware side. 15:26
kparal mjg59: what are the changes? 15:26
mjg59 But I have finally come up with an elegant mechanism for making the damn things do what we want 15:26
jreznik mjg59: and how much you can do with fw side? 15:26
jreznik mjg59: nice to hear! 15:27
mjg59 kparal: Change the threshold from 50% to 5KB, do something magic which will (in theory) force the firmware to trigger garbage collection 15:27
kparal mjg59: sounds good. can we expect a blogpost about the details? 15:27
mjg59 kparal: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/25091.html 15:27
jreznik mjg59: what do you achieve by changing 50% to 5 KB? 15:27
kparal mjg59: thanks! 15:28
mjg59 jreznik: It's less than the maximum variable size, so we can create a new variable that's larger than the remaining space 15:29
mjg59 Or, rather, attempt to 15:29
kparal mjg59: does it mean that kernel panics will never again be stored in uefi nvram, too risky? 15:29
* jreznik is reading the blog post 15:29
mjg59 kparal: No, we should be safe in doing that 15:29
adamw mjg59: any news on the timeframe? 15:29
mjg59 adamw: It's on LKML, jwb has a scratch build 15:30
mjg59 kparal: That's currently disabled because it turns out the code is shit (which may be, uh, my fault) 15:30
adamw mjg59: well, I mean, getting it in an official f19 kernel build 15:31
mjg59 adamw: Once we've got confirmation from some testing of the scratch build 15:31
adamw kparal: hint hint :) 15:32
jreznik kparal: hint, hint ^^^ 15:32
kparal thanks guys 15:32
jreznik adamw: hey, you were faster! 15:32
adamw .fire jreznik there can be only one 15:32
zodbot adamw fires jreznik there can be only one 15:32
kparal mjg59: can you give us a link to that scratch build? 15:32
mjg59 Linked from https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=964335 15:33
adamw #info mjg59 informs us a kernel patch is coming which ought to resolve most of the UEFI variable space issues. scratch build for testing linked from https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=964335 15:33
adamw thanks matt! 15:33
kparal I'll try to understand the blogpost and then test the build 15:33
* jreznik thinks he understands what mjg59 wants to achieve, hopes firmwares will be cooperative :) 15:34
adamw #topic Test Days 15:34
adamw #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-05-28_Virtualization and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-05-30_Spice both went off pretty successfully last week, i saw lots of active testing on both 15:35
adamw although - kparal, next time check in with the virt folks on the details of the live image; we kinda needed it to be installable for virt testing 15:36
kparal they didn't say 15:36
kparal why we need anaconda? 15:36
adamw they weren't aware we dropped anaconda from test day lives 15:36
adamw well, because you can't really do virt hosting from a live session 15:36
adamw unless you have like 32GB of RAM 15:36
adamw we just told people to use the beta lives and that worked out fine, so it wasn't a big deal 15:37
kparal I see 15:37
kparal in that case maybe a tailored Live wasn't needed at all 15:37
adamw yeah, maybe 15:37
adamw like i said, it didn't turn out to be a big problem, just a note 15:37
kparal I'm waiting for dcbw to give me a list of packages for tomorrow's test day so that I can build a Live image for them 15:38
kparal FreeIPA test day should be good, they're creating the image themselves 15:38
adamw cool; 15:38
adamw #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-06-04_Network_Manager page looks ready, kparal is working on the live image 15:39
adamw #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-06-06_FreeIPA_Two_Factor_Authentication looks ready to go 15:39
adamw any other test day notes from anyone? 15:39
adamw #topic Open floor 15:42
adamw welp, here we are folks, any other business/ 15:42
tflink nothing I can think of, no 15:42
adamw tflink: we have rather a lot of proposed blockers; should we do blocker review next? 15:43
tflink probably, yes 15:44
kparal oh, I hoped you wouldn't ask :) 15:44
tflink that looks like at least 3 hours of fun 15:44
* tflink gets started on prep 15:44
adamw kparal: c'mon, you know I never miss blocker review fun 15:45
kparal well, I don't miss it either 15:46
* j_dulaney is off 15:46
j_dulaney Apologies for not participating 15:46
adamw so that's blocker review fun in bat-channel #fedora-blocker-review at the top of the clock, folks 15:47
adamw strap yourselves in 15:47
brunowolff Note that if you are using rawhide kernels on f19, the grub(2) conf files don't (and won't) get updated. 15:48
adamw oh, yeah, that bug's worth a call-out 15:48
adamw do you have the number handy? 15:48
brunowolff I can find it. I think it is closed though. 15:49
adamw welp, sounds like that's everything 15:54
adamw blocker review in 5 minutes folks, thanks for coming! 15:54
brunowolff While looking, it looks like they might have pushed the fixed systemd to f19 today. Yeah! 15:54
adamw yay! 15:54
adamw #endmeeting 15:54

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