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|- id="tJul 15 12:00:19"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | | we need to wrap up... I think QA meeting is next
|| [[#tJul 15 12:00:19|Jul 15 12:00]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:00:20"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | stickster
| style="color: #42427e" | | poelcat: Thanks for that date, I didn't realize we'd passed the deadline at this poitn.
|| [[#tJul 15 12:00:20|Jul 15 12:00]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:00:26"
| colspan="2" | * | adamw taps foot and looks at watch
|| [[#tJul 15 12:00:26|Jul 15 12:00]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:00:29"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | hehe
|| [[#tJul 15 12:00:29|Jul 15 12:00]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:00:29"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | stickster
| style="color: #42427e" | | OK, let's see if we can round up issues on list
|| [[#tJul 15 12:00:29|Jul 15 12:00]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:00:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | | thanks everyone
|| [[#tJul 15 12:00:37|Jul 15 12:00]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:00:38"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | stickster
| style="color: #42427e" | | Take it away QA!
|| [[#tJul 15 12:00:38|Jul 15 12:00]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:00:39"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | | #endmeeting
|| [[#tJul 15 12:00:39|Jul 15 12:00]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:00:40"
| colspan="2" | --- | zodbot has changed the topic to: Channel is used by various Fedora groups and committees for their regular meetings | Note that meetings often get logged | For questions about using Fedora please ask in #fedora | See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting_channel for meeting schedule
|| [[#tJul 15 12:00:40|Jul 15 12:00]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:00:40"
! style="background-color: #854685" | zodbot
| style="color: #854685" | | Meeting ended Wed Jul 15 16:00:39 2009 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot .
|| [[#tJul 15 12:00:40|Jul 15 12:00]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:00:40"
! style="background-color: #854685" | zodbot
| style="color: #854685" | | Minutes:        http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-07-15/fedora-meeting.2009-07-15-15.00.html
|| [[#tJul 15 12:00:40|Jul 15 12:00]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:00:41"
! style="background-color: #854685" | zodbot
| style="color: #854685" | | Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-07-15/fedora-meeting.2009-07-15-15.00.txt
|| [[#tJul 15 12:00:41|Jul 15 12:00]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:00:42"
! style="background-color: #488888" | Sparks
| style="color: #488888" | | poelcat: Let's send out nasty grams today reminding people of their tasks and see where we are on Monday
|| [[#tJul 15 12:00:42|Jul 15 12:00]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:00:44"
! style="background-color: #854685" | zodbot
| style="color: #854685" | | Log:            http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-07-15/fedora-meeting.2009-07-15-15.00.log.html
|| [[#tJul 15 12:00:44|Jul 15 12:00]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:00:48"
| colspan="2" | * | adamw would like to clarify that his watch is not in fact on his foot
|| [[#tJul 15 12:00:48|Jul 15 12:00]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:00:52"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | stickster
| style="color: #42427e" | | heh
|| [[#tJul 15 12:00:52|Jul 15 12:00]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:01:10"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | it's how you keep such good rhythm I thought
|| [[#tJul 15 12:01:10|Jul 15 12:01]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:01:28"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | poelcat: do you guys need more time?
|| [[#tJul 15 12:01:28|Jul 15 12:01]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:01:35"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | hi all
|| [[#tJul 15 12:01:35|Jul 15 12:01]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:01:42"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | welcome dpravec
|| [[#tJul 15 12:01:42|Jul 15 12:01]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:01:47"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | we'll get started shortly
|| [[#tJul 15 12:01:47|Jul 15 12:01]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:02:08"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | #startmeeting
|| [[#tJul 15 12:02:08|Jul 15 12:02]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:02:10"
! style="background-color: #854685" | zodbot
| style="color: #854685" | | Meeting started Wed Jul 15 16:02:09 2009 UTC.  The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
|| [[#tJul 15 12:02:10|Jul 15 12:02]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:02:10"
! style="background-color: #854685" | zodbot
| style="color: #854685" | | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
|| [[#tJul 15 12:02:10|Jul 15 12:02]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:02:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | | jlaska: no we are done and wouldn't want to degrade the quality of our next release :)
|| [[#tJul 15 12:02:13|Jul 15 12:02]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:02:18"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | haha
|| [[#tJul 15 12:02:18|Jul 15 12:02]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:02:24"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | rats, there goes my first excuse ;)
|| [[#tJul 15 12:02:24|Jul 15 12:02]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:02:27"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | poelcat: don't worry, we can do that well enough on our own ;)
|| [[#tJul 15 12:02:27|Jul 15 12:02]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:02:36"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | | lol
|| [[#tJul 15 12:02:36|Jul 15 12:02]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:02:38"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | #meetingtopic Fedora QA meeting
|| [[#tJul 15 12:02:38|Jul 15 12:02]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:02:40"
| colspan="2" | --- | zodbot has changed the topic to:  (Meeting topic: Fedora QA meeting)
|| [[#tJul 15 12:02:40|Jul 15 12:02]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:02:46"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | #topic Gathering warm bodies
|| [[#tJul 15 12:02:46|Jul 15 12:02]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:02:48"
| colspan="2" | --- | zodbot has changed the topic to: Gathering warm bodies (Meeting topic: Fedora QA meeting)
|| [[#tJul 15 12:02:48|Jul 15 12:02]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:02:56"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | maxamillion
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | lol
|| [[#tJul 15 12:02:56|Jul 15 12:02]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:03:05"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | okay ... we've got a few familiar faces already ... let's do a roll call
|| [[#tJul 15 12:03:05|Jul 15 12:03]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:03:08"
| colspan="2" | * | jlaska
|| [[#tJul 15 12:03:08|Jul 15 12:03]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:03:18"
| colspan="2" | * | maxamillion
|| [[#tJul 15 12:03:18|Jul 15 12:03]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:03:19"
| colspan="2" | * | poelcat stays in his seat, hi
|| [[#tJul 15 12:03:19|Jul 15 12:03]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:03:24"
| colspan="2" | * | tk009 tk009
|| [[#tJul 15 12:03:24|Jul 15 12:03]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:03:37"
| colspan="2" | * | wwoods cambot! gypsy! tom servo! and crooooooow!
|| [[#tJul 15 12:03:37|Jul 15 12:03]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:04:05"
| colspan="2" | * | kparal1 is here
|| [[#tJul 15 12:04:05|Jul 15 12:04]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:04:25"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | good job with the list then jlaska =)
|| [[#tJul 15 12:04:25|Jul 15 12:04]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:04:39"
| colspan="2" | * | dpravec is here
|| [[#tJul 15 12:04:39|Jul 15 12:04]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:04:43"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | uh oh ... the pressure is on ... good turn out today :)
|| [[#tJul 15 12:04:43|Jul 15 12:04]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:05:32"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | okay, we've got a hard stop today in 55 minutes (Fedora Belux meeting)
|| [[#tJul 15 12:05:32|Jul 15 12:05]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:05:42"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | let's do a quick recap from last week
|| [[#tJul 15 12:05:42|Jul 15 12:05]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:05:48"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | #topic Previous meeting follow-up
|| [[#tJul 15 12:05:48|Jul 15 12:05]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:05:49"
| colspan="2" | --- | zodbot has changed the topic to: Previous meeting follow-up (Meeting topic: Fedora QA meeting)
|| [[#tJul 15 12:05:49|Jul 15 12:05]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:06:14"
| colspan="2" | * | jlaska hopes Viking-Ice is lurking
|| [[#tJul 15 12:06:14|Jul 15 12:06]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:06:20"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20090715#Previous_meeting_follow-up
|| [[#tJul 15 12:06:20|Jul 15 12:06]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:06:36"
| colspan="2" | * | Viking-Ice jumps in a little late..
|| [[#tJul 15 12:06:36|Jul 15 12:06]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:06:41"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | Viking-Ice: sweet, welcome
|| [[#tJul 15 12:06:41|Jul 15 12:06]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:06:49"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | [jlaska] - update fedora-qa privs so that viking_ice is on the default bcc
|| [[#tJul 15 12:06:49|Jul 15 12:06]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:06:59"
| colspan="2" | * | f13 
|| [[#tJul 15 12:06:59|Jul 15 12:06]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:07:03"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | should be good there, Viking-Ice you should now be spamfull :)
|| [[#tJul 15 12:07:03|Jul 15 12:07]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:07:08"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | f13: welcome!
|| [[#tJul 15 12:07:08|Jul 15 12:07]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:07:34"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | Next up ...
|| [[#tJul 15 12:07:34|Jul 15 12:07]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:07:39"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | |  * [jlaska] - file a bunch of tickets to track wiki RFC's (requests for content) for debugging pages ... email list seeking volunteers after
|| [[#tJul 15 12:07:39|Jul 15 12:07]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:08:06"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | I filed just 3 so far for the 3 missing Debugging pages beland noted (see http://tinyurl.com/n6n24f)
|| [[#tJul 15 12:08:06|Jul 15 12:08]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:08:19"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | i'm hoping to do some work on those
|| [[#tJul 15 12:08:19|Jul 15 12:08]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:08:35"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | Will send out a mail to the list letting folks know it's a good way to get involved
|| [[#tJul 15 12:08:35|Jul 15 12:08]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:09:10"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | adamw: thanks, there were some other pages beland noted could use improvement ... I haven't done anything with those yet
|| [[#tJul 15 12:09:10|Jul 15 12:09]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:09:33"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | yeah, it's something i feel good about working on for sure, i have the resources and time for it again now
|| [[#tJul 15 12:09:33|Jul 15 12:09]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:09:41"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | Awesome
|| [[#tJul 15 12:09:41|Jul 15 12:09]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:09:46"
| colspan="2" | * | adamw went back from 8.9" to 40" of monitor space =)
|| [[#tJul 15 12:09:46|Jul 15 12:09]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:09:50"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | i will need to feed my 12 months old daughter during this meeting. i would love to move it to another day of week, if that is possible... wednesday is not easy for me (my wife is going away for few hours, its 18:09 here)
|| [[#tJul 15 12:09:50|Jul 15 12:09]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:10:08"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | dpravec: I've got a spot in the agenda to see if we can work up a new time
|| [[#tJul 15 12:10:08|Jul 15 12:10]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:10:37"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | |  if i do not respond quickly, you know why :)
|| [[#tJul 15 12:10:37|Jul 15 12:10]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:10:46"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | gotcha :)
|| [[#tJul 15 12:10:46|Jul 15 12:10]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:10:48"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | okay, next up ... my always present Goal topic ...
|| [[#tJul 15 12:10:48|Jul 15 12:10]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:10:57"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | maxamillion
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | adamw: total side note, you getting native res on that vaio p yet?
|| [[#tJul 15 12:10:57|Jul 15 12:10]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:11:08"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | maxamillion: pm
|| [[#tJul 15 12:11:08|Jul 15 12:11]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:11:24"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | * [jlaska] - update [[QA/Goals]] wiki document
|| [[#tJul 15 12:11:24|Jul 15 12:11]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:11:49"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | Spent some time on that this morning, but need to keep thinking about a good way  to represent and allow for growth
|| [[#tJul 15 12:11:49|Jul 15 12:11]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:12:49"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | I'm not ready to toss it out for review yet ... but playing around with different methods in a draft page
|| [[#tJul 15 12:12:49|Jul 15 12:12]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:12:54"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jlaska/Draft
|| [[#tJul 15 12:12:54|Jul 15 12:12]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:13:11"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | I'll keep playing throughout the week, if folks have input, feel free to get in touch with me
|| [[#tJul 15 12:13:11|Jul 15 12:13]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:13:43"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | that's it from me
|| [[#tJul 15 12:13:43|Jul 15 12:13]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:13:52"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | any other follow-up items folks wanted to discus from last week?
|| [[#tJul 15 12:13:52|Jul 15 12:13]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:14:44"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | f13
| style="color: #97974f" | | let me look at the agenda real quick again
|| [[#tJul 15 12:14:44|Jul 15 12:14]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:15:17"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | f13
| style="color: #97974f" | | well, we could talk about the changes to F12 schedule
|| [[#tJul 15 12:15:17|Jul 15 12:15]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:15:41"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | Okay, I'll add that to the news section
|| [[#tJul 15 12:15:41|Jul 15 12:15]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:15:58"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | #topic In the news - Fedora 12 QA schedule updates
|| [[#tJul 15 12:15:58|Jul 15 12:15]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:15:59"
| colspan="2" | --- | zodbot has changed the topic to: In the news - Fedora 12 QA schedule updates (Meeting topic: Fedora QA meeting)
|| [[#tJul 15 12:15:59|Jul 15 12:15]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:16:25"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | as f13 points out, a group of us gathered in fedora talk this week to hash out some ideas around QA milestones on the F12 schedule
|| [[#tJul 15 12:16:25|Jul 15 12:16]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:17:04"
| colspan="2" | * | jlaska trying to find linky
|| [[#tJul 15 12:17:04|Jul 15 12:17]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:17:43"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-July/msg00241.html
|| [[#tJul 15 12:17:43|Jul 15 12:17]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:18:11"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | poelcat: summarized the outcome ... as listed in the email above
|| [[#tJul 15 12:18:11|Jul 15 12:18]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:18:26"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | f13
| style="color: #97974f" | | he also updated the schedule pages on his people pages
|| [[#tJul 15 12:18:26|Jul 15 12:18]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:18:42"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | f13
| style="color: #97974f" | | http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-quality-tasks.html
|| [[#tJul 15 12:18:42|Jul 15 12:18]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:19:15"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | f13
| style="color: #97974f" | | hrm, that seems not what you need.
|| [[#tJul 15 12:19:15|Jul 15 12:19]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:19:39"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | f13
| style="color: #97974f" | | oh, n/m.  It shows the testing of things, just not when they're composed.
|| [[#tJul 15 12:19:39|Jul 15 12:19]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:19:53"
| colspan="2" | * | poelcat hasn't done a recent review of the quality schedule... we discussed http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-releng-tasks.html
|| [[#tJul 15 12:19:53|Jul 15 12:19]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:19:56"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | | which overlaps w/ both
|| [[#tJul 15 12:19:56|Jul 15 12:19]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:20:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | | though it should be correct
|| [[#tJul 15 12:20:11|Jul 15 12:20]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:20:30"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | the schedule looks pretty good to me
|| [[#tJul 15 12:20:30|Jul 15 12:20]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:20:35"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | lots of bug review days which i like :)
|| [[#tJul 15 12:20:35|Jul 15 12:20]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:20:56"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | the added bug days and agreement on the pre/post freeze composes is a huge plus for me :)
|| [[#tJul 15 12:20:56|Jul 15 12:20]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:21:07"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | so speaking of ... this is a good tie into the next topic ...
|| [[#tJul 15 12:21:07|Jul 15 12:21]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:21:15"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | #topic Alpha Blocker Bug Day #1 - Friday, July 17th
|| [[#tJul 15 12:21:15|Jul 15 12:21]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:21:16"
| colspan="2" | --- | zodbot has changed the topic to: Alpha Blocker Bug Day #1 - Friday, July 17th (Meeting topic: Fedora QA meeting)
|| [[#tJul 15 12:21:16|Jul 15 12:21]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:21:36"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | poelcat: sent out the reminder to f-test-list and f-devel-list ... https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-July/msg00239.html
|| [[#tJul 15 12:21:36|Jul 15 12:21]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:21:55"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | as you can see the list is completely empty right now ... which I don't think means we have no bugs
|| [[#tJul 15 12:21:55|Jul 15 12:21]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:22:00"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=f12alpha
|| [[#tJul 15 12:22:00|Jul 15 12:22]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:22:02"
! style="background-color: #9b519b" | buggbot
| style="color: #9b519b" | | Bug 507676: medium, low, ---, notting, NEW, Fedora 12 Alpha tracker
|| [[#tJul 15 12:22:02|Jul 15 12:22]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:22:38"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | maybe we should look at all f12blocker bugs and see if any are appropriate to block f12alpha too
|| [[#tJul 15 12:22:38|Jul 15 12:22]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:22:46"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | i've honestly just been thinking about f12blocker and not f12alpha...
|| [[#tJul 15 12:22:46|Jul 15 12:22]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:23:00"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | adamw: that's a good suggestion ... there was also talk about the F11target list which you already commented on I think
|| [[#tJul 15 12:23:00|Jul 15 12:23]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:23:22"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | yeah, i don't have a massively strong opinion on that though.
|| [[#tJul 15 12:23:22|Jul 15 12:23]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:23:36"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | agreed, nor do I
|| [[#tJul 15 12:23:36|Jul 15 12:23]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:23:40"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | i can take a few minutes today to go through f12blocker and put appropriate stuff on f12alpha too if you like, put that down as an action item
|| [[#tJul 15 12:23:40|Jul 15 12:23]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:23:54"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=473303&amp;hide_resolved=1
|| [[#tJul 15 12:23:54|Jul 15 12:23]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:24:06"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | not too too bad
|| [[#tJul 15 12:24:06|Jul 15 12:24]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:24:36"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | so .. this raises the question for me, what type of issues constitute an Alpha blocker
|| [[#tJul 15 12:24:36|Jul 15 12:24]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:24:42"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | should we go by severity?
|| [[#tJul 15 12:24:42|Jul 15 12:24]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:24:49"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | | semi-related... I drafted up https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Poelstra/blocker_bug_meeting_sop
|| [[#tJul 15 12:24:49|Jul 15 12:24]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:25:18"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | f13
| style="color: #97974f" | | don't we have alpha release criteria we could go by?
|| [[#tJul 15 12:25:18|Jul 15 12:25]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:25:58"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | I just see the standard https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/ReleaseCriteria page right now
|| [[#tJul 15 12:25:58|Jul 15 12:25]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:25:58"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | maxamillion
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | I think https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=510033 should be a F12Alpha blocker
|| [[#tJul 15 12:25:58|Jul 15 12:25]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:25:59"
! style="background-color: #9b519b" | buggbot
| style="color: #9b519b" | | Bug 510033: medium, low, ---, anaconda-maint-list, NEW, AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'name'
|| [[#tJul 15 12:25:59|Jul 15 12:25]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:26:07"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | i think for alpha we should probably be going more or less by the critical path stuff
|| [[#tJul 15 12:26:07|Jul 15 12:26]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:26:23"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | plus X, maybe? meh.
|| [[#tJul 15 12:26:23|Jul 15 12:26]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:26:26"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | adamw: that's a good way to tie it into recent proposals
|| [[#tJul 15 12:26:26|Jul 15 12:26]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:26:37"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | wwoods
| style="color: #539e9e" | | X is in the critical path.
|| [[#tJul 15 12:26:37|Jul 15 12:26]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:26:38"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | f13
| style="color: #97974f" | | X is in the critical path
|| [[#tJul 15 12:26:38|Jul 15 12:26]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:26:40"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | oh ok. :)
|| [[#tJul 15 12:26:40|Jul 15 12:26]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:26:43"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | wusses!
|| [[#tJul 15 12:26:43|Jul 15 12:26]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:26:47"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | ;)
|| [[#tJul 15 12:26:47|Jul 15 12:26]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:27:05"
| colspan="2" | * | adamw has visions of ancient beardy types shaking fists
|| [[#tJul 15 12:27:05|Jul 15 12:27]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:28:11"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | Do folks have any opinions on documenting what we should be keeping on the radar for the alpha?
|| [[#tJul 15 12:28:11|Jul 15 12:28]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:28:21"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | well, my suggestion is - make it the critical path stuff.
|| [[#tJul 15 12:28:21|Jul 15 12:28]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:28:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | | adamw: if there aren't many bugs to discuss on Friday... laying out the criteria would be a good thing to do
|| [[#tJul 15 12:28:24|Jul 15 12:28]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:28:28"
| colspan="2" | * | poelcat won't be able to attend
|| [[#tJul 15 12:28:28|Jul 15 12:28]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:28:47"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | adamw: yeah, I think limiting to the scope of components to critical path is a good thing
|| [[#tJul 15 12:28:47|Jul 15 12:28]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:29:06"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | but does that mean all bugs against critical path components, just urgent, panics etc... 
|| [[#tJul 15 12:29:06|Jul 15 12:29]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:29:38"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | heck, I wonder if we should limit things to critical path for all milestones (and document how the criteria can be extended outside that scope)
|| [[#tJul 15 12:29:38|Jul 15 12:29]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:29:54"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | i dunno, flying by the seat of my pants here.
|| [[#tJul 15 12:29:54|Jul 15 12:29]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:30:04"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | welcome to the club ;)
|| [[#tJul 15 12:30:04|Jul 15 12:30]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:30:40"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | I'd be willing to take a crack at documenting some guidelines, but I could use some help with that
|| [[#tJul 15 12:30:40|Jul 15 12:30]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:31:35"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | i can think of some nice-in-theory approaches
|| [[#tJul 15 12:31:35|Jul 15 12:31]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:31:48"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | we could just use the existing work and say 'critical severity bugs in in critical path packages'...
|| [[#tJul 15 12:31:48|Jul 15 12:31]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:32:07"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | hmm, that's actually good and fits ... KISS
|| [[#tJul 15 12:32:07|Jul 15 12:32]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:32:09"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | but in practical terms i'm not sure it can be that simple. i mean, i'm looking through f12blocker on the side right now
|| [[#tJul 15 12:32:09|Jul 15 12:32]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:32:22"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | and we see 486284 , which is the grub support for ext4 stuff
|| [[#tJul 15 12:32:22|Jul 15 12:32]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:32:41"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | which is a RFE right?
|| [[#tJul 15 12:32:41|Jul 15 12:32]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:32:56"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | hmm, that's one way to square that circle, yeah
|| [[#tJul 15 12:32:56|Jul 15 12:32]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:32:59"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | RFE's are different!
|| [[#tJul 15 12:32:59|Jul 15 12:32]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:32:59"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | :)
|| [[#tJul 15 12:32:59|Jul 15 12:32]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:33:01"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | heh
|| [[#tJul 15 12:33:01|Jul 15 12:33]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:33:09"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | :)
|| [[#tJul 15 12:33:09|Jul 15 12:33]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:33:16"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | well, we can try and go with a simple definition for now and get thornier from there =)
|| [[#tJul 15 12:33:16|Jul 15 12:33]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:33:46"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | i would also see all apps having manpages...  iirc in debian this is serious bug...
|| [[#tJul 15 12:33:46|Jul 15 12:33]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:33:59"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | mcepl
| style="color: #a25555" | | let me just jump in ... "all the bugs on the critical path" is too much IMHO ... there are tons of X bugs where Xorg just isn't. Are those alpha blockers as well?
|| [[#tJul 15 12:33:59|Jul 15 12:33]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:34:00"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | love to see*
|| [[#tJul 15 12:34:00|Jul 15 12:34]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:34:01"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | f13
| style="color: #97974f" | | and if you say critical severity of critical path packages, then we'd have to spend the day defining the criteria to make those bugs critical severity
|| [[#tJul 15 12:34:01|Jul 15 12:34]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:34:06"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | f13
| style="color: #97974f" | | because I'm sure most of them aren't.
|| [[#tJul 15 12:34:06|Jul 15 12:34]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:34:11"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | f13
| style="color: #97974f" | | or many are that shouldn't be.
|| [[#tJul 15 12:34:11|Jul 15 12:34]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:34:27"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | we have critera for the severity ratings already.
|| [[#tJul 15 12:34:27|Jul 15 12:34]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:34:27"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | f13
| style="color: #97974f" | | mcepl: "all bugs" is wrong.
|| [[#tJul 15 12:34:27|Jul 15 12:34]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:34:30"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | f13: afaik ... severify is defined
|| [[#tJul 15 12:34:30|Jul 15 12:34]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:34:39"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | f13
| style="color: #97974f" | | defined yes, applied?
|| [[#tJul 15 12:34:39|Jul 15 12:34]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:34:48"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | f13
| style="color: #97974f" | | and does it truly match up with alpha release criteria?
|| [[#tJul 15 12:34:48|Jul 15 12:34]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:35:07"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | exactly, that's I think what we're working through
|| [[#tJul 15 12:35:07|Jul 15 12:35]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:35:10"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | probably not 100% yet, but that's fine. what we mean is "bugs that are critical if the criteria are properly applied"...
|| [[#tJul 15 12:35:10|Jul 15 12:35]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:35:16"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | yeah, that's what i'm not sure about yet.
|| [[#tJul 15 12:35:16|Jul 15 12:35]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:35:32"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | the grub thing was my first obvious non-conformer, but as jlaska points out that's an rfe, and those are always tricky
|| [[#tJul 15 12:35:32|Jul 15 12:35]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:35:56"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | it's also tricky to do this pre-freeze ... but I think this is forcing us to ask these questions waaaay before we normally do
|| [[#tJul 15 12:35:56|Jul 15 12:35]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:35:58"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | which is good
|| [[#tJul 15 12:35:58|Jul 15 12:35]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:36:01"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | wwoods
| style="color: #539e9e" | | I kinda wish we had some brainstorm type thing that RFEs could go into
|| [[#tJul 15 12:36:01|Jul 15 12:36]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:36:03"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | mcepl
| style="color: #a25555" | | f13: OK, is this https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=498457 Alpha blocker (to the best of my knowledge it is still the same in Rawhide as in F11)?
|| [[#tJul 15 12:36:03|Jul 15 12:36]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:36:04"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | wwoods
| style="color: #539e9e" | | to keep them out of bugzilla
|| [[#tJul 15 12:36:04|Jul 15 12:36]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:36:05"
! style="background-color: #9b519b" | buggbot
| style="color: #9b519b" | | Bug 498457: urgent, low, ---, airlied, ASSIGNED, "radeon" driver fails on F11 Preview and Xpress 200M
|| [[#tJul 15 12:36:05|Jul 15 12:36]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:36:46"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | maxamillion
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | I'm new to the QA meetings so its highly possible this is common knowledge, but what's the process to get a bug added to a blocker list?
|| [[#tJul 15 12:36:46|Jul 15 12:36]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:37:13"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | maxamillion: thanks for joining! 
|| [[#tJul 15 12:37:13|Jul 15 12:37]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:37:19"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | mcepl: i've been working for a while on the basis that bugs in a single specific piece of hardware are not 'critical', only 'high'...could probably codify that more explicitly in the severity policy
|| [[#tJul 15 12:37:19|Jul 15 12:37]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:37:35"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | mcepl: because otherwise we'll just be drowning in critical X bugs
|| [[#tJul 15 12:37:35|Jul 15 12:37]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:37:43"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | wwoods
| style="color: #539e9e" | | maxamillion: if you're confident that it's actually a blocker (see definitions) then you just add the bug alias (e.g. F12Blocker) to the "Blocks:" field on your bug
|| [[#tJul 15 12:37:43|Jul 15 12:37]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:37:55"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | the alias for f12 alpha is 'F12Alpha'
|| [[#tJul 15 12:37:55|Jul 15 12:37]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:37:59"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | mcepl
| style="color: #a25555" | | adamw: yeah, that was exactly my point
|| [[#tJul 15 12:37:59|Jul 15 12:37]]
|-
| colspan="3" | Jul 15 12:38:00&lt;maxamillion&gt; | jlaska: happy to be here :) ... mainly jumping in from the aspect of the Xfce SIG, that's my main focus at the moment but Fedora as a whole I'd love to help out as much as I am able
|- id="tJul 15 12:38:12"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | mcepl: lemme see what we have written down about that in the policy atm
|| [[#tJul 15 12:38:12|Jul 15 12:38]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:38:20"
| colspan="2" | * | mcepl is pull himself out of the discussion again
|| [[#tJul 15 12:38:20|Jul 15 12:38]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:38:22"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | mcepl
| style="color: #a25555" | | adamw: nothing
|| [[#tJul 15 12:38:22|Jul 15 12:38]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:38:26"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | mcepl
| style="color: #a25555" | | IIRC
|| [[#tJul 15 12:38:26|Jul 15 12:38]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:38:32"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | maxamillion
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | wwoods: are the blocker definitions in the wiki?
|| [[#tJul 15 12:38:32|Jul 15 12:38]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:38:42"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | maxamillion: that's sort of the discussion now
|| [[#tJul 15 12:38:42|Jul 15 12:38]]
|-
| colspan="3" | Jul 15 12:38:47&lt;maxamillion&gt; | jlaska: ah
|- id="tJul 15 12:38:51"
| colspan="2" | * | maxamillion misunderstood
|| [[#tJul 15 12:38:51|Jul 15 12:38]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:38:56"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | mcepl
| style="color: #a25555" | | adamw: just that there is no way how to make Xorg work for this card without quite particular changes in xorg.conf.
|| [[#tJul 15 12:38:56|Jul 15 12:38]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:39:03"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | no worries, as I see it ... trying to figure out a good way to help contributors know what a good blocker candidate bug is
|| [[#tJul 15 12:39:03|Jul 15 12:39]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:39:18"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | mcepl: yeah, so by the current quite short stanza in 'how to triage' it should be urgent, i agree; i'll add a caveat about hardware-specific issues there
|| [[#tJul 15 12:39:18|Jul 15 12:39]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:39:25"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | wwoods
| style="color: #539e9e" | | maxamillion: current definition is, roughly, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/ReleaseCriteria
|| [[#tJul 15 12:39:25|Jul 15 12:39]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:39:29"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | mcepl: in practice i've been calling bugs like that 'high', not 'urgent'
|| [[#tJul 15 12:39:29|Jul 15 12:39]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:39:37"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | maxamillion
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | wwoods: thank you
|| [[#tJul 15 12:39:37|Jul 15 12:39]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:40:06"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | okay ... let's summarize this topic ...
|| [[#tJul 15 12:40:06|Jul 15 12:40]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:40:39"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | * the current release criteria are located at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/ReleaseCriteria
|| [[#tJul 15 12:40:39|Jul 15 12:40]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:41:10"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | * For the Alpha, we've decided to evaluate bugs by severity:urgent and compoent in critial path packages?
|| [[#tJul 15 12:41:10|Jul 15 12:41]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:41:21"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | or is that still a proposal that needs hashing through?
|| [[#tJul 15 12:41:21|Jul 15 12:41]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:41:59"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | adamw: got a link to the severity definitions?  I think my awesome bar still has the old draft link
|| [[#tJul 15 12:41:59|Jul 15 12:41]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:42:06"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | f13
| style="color: #97974f" | | mcepl: re that bug, this is where we start to apply "how many people does it hurt" thinking, as well as "how long until it can be fixed"
|| [[#tJul 15 12:42:06|Jul 15 12:42]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:42:19"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | jlaska: there's two places: the How to Triage page - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/How_to_Triage#Checklist_for_NEW_Bug_Triage (number 9)
|| [[#tJul 15 12:42:19|Jul 15 12:42]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:42:36"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | that has the quick practical instructions
|| [[#tJul 15 12:42:36|Jul 15 12:42]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:42:46"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | then the bug workflow page - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/BugStatusWorkFlow - has more detailed policy
|| [[#tJul 15 12:42:46|Jul 15 12:42]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:42:54"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/BugStatusWorkFlow#Priority_and_Severity
|| [[#tJul 15 12:42:54|Jul 15 12:42]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:43:04"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | wwoods
| style="color: #539e9e" | | the release criteria can (and should!) be updated to better match reality and new policies/proposals
|| [[#tJul 15 12:43:04|Jul 15 12:43]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:43:15"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | wwoods
| style="color: #539e9e" | | they're not set in stone or anything
|| [[#tJul 15 12:43:15|Jul 15 12:43]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:43:24"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | i have just added a quick exception to the how-to-triage page for hardware-specific issues
|| [[#tJul 15 12:43:24|Jul 15 12:43]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:44:11"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | okay ... so we'll go with the notes above for now.  And likely adjust as needed
|| [[#tJul 15 12:44:11|Jul 15 12:44]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:44:36"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | if folks are interested in helping to define, feel free to drop me a line or send ideas to the mailing list
|| [[#tJul 15 12:44:36|Jul 15 12:44]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:44:50"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | #topic Fedora 12 Test Day schedule
|| [[#tJul 15 12:44:50|Jul 15 12:44]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:44:52"
| colspan="2" | --- | zodbot has changed the topic to: Fedora 12 Test Day schedule (Meeting topic: Fedora QA meeting)
|| [[#tJul 15 12:44:52|Jul 15 12:44]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:44:59"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | Just a quick blurb about F12 test days ...
|| [[#tJul 15 12:44:59|Jul 15 12:44]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:45:03"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | the schedule is light at this point still
|| [[#tJul 15 12:45:03|Jul 15 12:45]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:45:17"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | however, adamw and I have a few topics planned that haven't yet landed on the schedule
|| [[#tJul 15 12:45:17|Jul 15 12:45]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:45:41"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | you may have to remind me about those, my brain is feeling lightly frazzled atm :)
|| [[#tJul 15 12:45:41|Jul 15 12:45]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:45:48"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | ... incoming ...
|| [[#tJul 15 12:45:48|Jul 15 12:45]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:46:01"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | I've got the full links in the minutes and on the discussion &lt;tab&gt;
|| [[#tJul 15 12:46:01|Jul 15 12:46]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:46:10"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | but what's being planned so far includes:
|| [[#tJul 15 12:46:10|Jul 15 12:46]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:46:11"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | |    *  Revisit of X drivers (e.g. nouveau)
|| [[#tJul 15 12:46:11|Jul 15 12:46]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:46:11"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | |    * Anaconda F12 features
|| [[#tJul 15 12:46:11|Jul 15 12:46]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:46:11"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | |          o Storage cleanup [1]
|| [[#tJul 15 12:46:11|Jul 15 12:46]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:46:11"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | |          o RAID [2]
|| [[#tJul 15 12:46:11|Jul 15 12:46]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:46:11"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | |          o Partition UI cleanup [3]
|| [[#tJul 15 12:46:11|Jul 15 12:46]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:46:11"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | |    * Upcoming NetworkManager changes
|| [[#tJul 15 12:46:11|Jul 15 12:46]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:46:11"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | |          o IPV6 [4]
|| [[#tJul 15 12:46:11|Jul 15 12:46]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:46:11"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | |          o System-wide connections [5]
|| [[#tJul 15 12:46:11|Jul 15 12:46]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:46:11"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | |          o Mobile broadband updates [6]
|| [[#tJul 15 12:46:11|Jul 15 12:46]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:46:12"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | |    * Audio test day 
|| [[#tJul 15 12:46:12|Jul 15 12:46]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:46:13"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | 
|| [[#tJul 15 12:46:13|Jul 15 12:46]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:47:11"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | if folks have ideas or would like to pitch a test day topic ... let me or adamw know ... or send a suggestion to the team list (fedora-test-list)
|| [[#tJul 15 12:47:11|Jul 15 12:47]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:47:43"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | Dracut and Virtualization are already planned
|| [[#tJul 15 12:47:43|Jul 15 12:47]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:47:57"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | and thanks to Viking-Ice for his help in fleshing out test and debugging pages for dracut!
|| [[#tJul 15 12:47:57|Jul 15 12:47]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:48:13"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | yeah that was awesome
|| [[#tJul 15 12:48:13|Jul 15 12:48]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:48:24"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Dracut/Debugging
|| [[#tJul 15 12:48:24|Jul 15 12:48]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:48:29"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Dracut/Testing
|| [[#tJul 15 12:48:29|Jul 15 12:48]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:48:41"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | okay ... 12 minutes remaining ...
|| [[#tJul 15 12:48:41|Jul 15 12:48]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:48:45"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | switching over to autoqa
|| [[#tJul 15 12:48:45|Jul 15 12:48]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:48:48"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | #topic AutoQA - update from wwoods
|| [[#tJul 15 12:48:48|Jul 15 12:48]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:48:49"
| colspan="2" | --- | zodbot has changed the topic to: AutoQA - update from wwoods (Meeting topic: Fedora QA meeting)
|| [[#tJul 15 12:48:49|Jul 15 12:48]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:49:05"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | wwoods: want to walk us through a brief update?
|| [[#tJul 15 12:49:05|Jul 15 12:49]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:49:20"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | wwoods
| style="color: #539e9e" | | sure
|| [[#tJul 15 12:49:20|Jul 15 12:49]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:49:55"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | wwoods
| style="color: #539e9e" | | So the first big milestone for autoqa is still the israwhidebroken.com project
|| [[#tJul 15 12:49:55|Jul 15 12:49]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:50:10"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | wwoods
| style="color: #539e9e" | | the first big chunk of that was writing the rawhide acceptance test plan
|| [[#tJul 15 12:50:10|Jul 15 12:50]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:50:14"
| colspan="2" | * | kparal2 has rejoined because of broken internet connection, sorry
|| [[#tJul 15 12:50:14|Jul 15 12:50]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:50:20"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | wwoods
| style="color: #539e9e" | | that's https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Rawhide_Acceptance_Test_Plan
|| [[#tJul 15 12:50:20|Jul 15 12:50]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:50:42"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | wwoods
| style="color: #539e9e" | | last week I finished writing the test cases
|| [[#tJul 15 12:50:42|Jul 15 12:50]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:50:49"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | kparal2: no worries, welcome back :)
|| [[#tJul 15 12:50:49|Jul 15 12:50]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:51:06"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | wwoods
| style="color: #539e9e" | | two of the test cases required some critical path work to be done first
|| [[#tJul 15 12:51:06|Jul 15 12:51]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:51:12"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | wwoods
| style="color: #539e9e" | | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Core_package_dependency_closure_test_case
|| [[#tJul 15 12:51:12|Jul 15 12:51]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:51:16"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | wwoods
| style="color: #539e9e" | | and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Core_package_existence_test_case
|| [[#tJul 15 12:51:16|Jul 15 12:51]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:51:47"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | wwoods
| style="color: #539e9e" | | those test cases will probably change as we develop some tools for examining the critical path packages
|| [[#tJul 15 12:51:47|Jul 15 12:51]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:52:03"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | wwoods
| style="color: #539e9e" | | and then there's the two super-basic functional tests: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Network_basic_test_case
|| [[#tJul 15 12:52:03|Jul 15 12:52]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:52:07"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | wwoods
| style="color: #539e9e" | | and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Yum_simple_update_test_case
|| [[#tJul 15 12:52:07|Jul 15 12:52]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:52:33"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | wwoods
| style="color: #539e9e" | | as described in the test plan, those are the two functional things we'll check before bothering with any other testing
|| [[#tJul 15 12:52:33|Jul 15 12:52]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:52:44"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | wwoods
| style="color: #539e9e" | | so don't get confused and think "this is all the testing they're doing?"
|| [[#tJul 15 12:52:44|Jul 15 12:52]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:53:05"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | wwoods
| style="color: #539e9e" | | this is just the set of things we have to test before the *real* testing can even start.
|| [[#tJul 15 12:53:05|Jul 15 12:53]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:53:32"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | wwoods
| style="color: #539e9e" | | so anyway - first versions of all the test cases are now complete and I'm starting to read up on autotest
|| [[#tJul 15 12:53:32|Jul 15 12:53]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:53:44"
| colspan="2" | --- | oget_zzz is now known as oget
|| [[#tJul 15 12:53:44|Jul 15 12:53]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:53:44"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | wwoods
| style="color: #539e9e" | | and write automated tests for these test cases
|| [[#tJul 15 12:53:44|Jul 15 12:53]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:53:48"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | wwoods
| style="color: #539e9e" | | using the autotest API
|| [[#tJul 15 12:53:48|Jul 15 12:53]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:54:21"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | wwoods
| style="color: #539e9e" | | more info about the tasks / progress can be found here: https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/milestone/israwhidebroken.com
|| [[#tJul 15 12:54:21|Jul 15 12:54]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:54:39"
| colspan="2" | * | jlaska adds a blurb about cricital path to the test plan risks section
|| [[#tJul 15 12:54:39|Jul 15 12:54]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:55:19"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #57a657" | | Could we please not use this &lt;code&gt;blurp&lt;/code&gt; and rather use &lt;pre&gt;blurp&lt;/pre&gt; in the wiki when working with commands
|| [[#tJul 15 12:55:19|Jul 15 12:55]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:55:34"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | wwoods
| style="color: #539e9e" | | that doesn't work inside bulleted lists.
|| [[#tJul 15 12:55:34|Jul 15 12:55]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:55:38"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | maxamillion
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | wwoods: http://autotest.kernel.org &lt;-- is this the autotest you are talking about?
|| [[#tJul 15 12:55:38|Jul 15 12:55]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:55:42"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | wwoods
| style="color: #539e9e" | | or rather, it breaks numbered lists
|| [[#tJul 15 12:55:42|Jul 15 12:55]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:55:43"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | wwoods
| style="color: #539e9e" | | maxamillion: yes
|| [[#tJul 15 12:55:43|Jul 15 12:55]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:56:16"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | wwoods: cool, any other updates/concerns?
|| [[#tJul 15 12:56:16|Jul 15 12:56]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:56:31"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #57a657" | | then let's not use it et al..
|| [[#tJul 15 12:56:31|Jul 15 12:56]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:56:47"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | I've asked kparal2 to look at the test case tickets you've outlined too ... so he'll be trying to familiarize himself soon
|| [[#tJul 15 12:56:47|Jul 15 12:56]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:56:49"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | actually, for commands you should use {{command|foobar}}
|| [[#tJul 15 12:56:49|Jul 15 12:56]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:56:51"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | f13
| style="color: #97974f" | | maxamillion: yes, I've been working on getting it packaged and deployed in Fedora infrastrcuture for our use
|| [[#tJul 15 12:56:51|Jul 15 12:56]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:56:58"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | oh, that's just for one-word commands though
|| [[#tJul 15 12:56:58|Jul 15 12:56]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:57:00"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #57a657" | | adamw: that equally sucks...
|| [[#tJul 15 12:57:00|Jul 15 12:57]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:57:03"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | sorry.
|| [[#tJul 15 12:57:03|Jul 15 12:57]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:57:04"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | maxamillion
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | f13: ah, awesome
|| [[#tJul 15 12:57:04|Jul 15 12:57]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:57:04"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | f13
| style="color: #97974f" | | any other colors we'd like the bike shed?
|| [[#tJul 15 12:57:04|Jul 15 12:57]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:57:06"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | wwoods
| style="color: #539e9e" | | jlaska: not really? things are going to get harder when we start trying to do the boot / installer / functional tests
|| [[#tJul 15 12:57:06|Jul 15 12:57]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:57:10"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | f13
| style="color: #97974f" | | or can we move on?
|| [[#tJul 15 12:57:10|Jul 15 12:57]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:57:12"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | f13: puce!
|| [[#tJul 15 12:57:12|Jul 15 12:57]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:57:27"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | wwoods
| style="color: #539e9e" | | but we'll deal with that once some of the other autotest stuff is worked out.
|| [[#tJul 15 12:57:27|Jul 15 12:57]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:57:44"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | wwoods: yeah exactly
|| [[#tJul 15 12:57:44|Jul 15 12:57]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:58:03"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | Viking-Ice: perhaps an offline discussion around updating the usage of &lt;code&gt; in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Help:Editing ?
|| [[#tJul 15 12:58:03|Jul 15 12:58]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:58:10"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | okay last topic  ...
|| [[#tJul 15 12:58:10|Jul 15 12:58]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:58:12"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | with 2 minutes left
|| [[#tJul 15 12:58:12|Jul 15 12:58]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:58:23"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | #topic Updated meeting time
|| [[#tJul 15 12:58:23|Jul 15 12:58]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:58:24"
| colspan="2" | --- | zodbot has changed the topic to: Updated meeting time (Meeting topic: Fedora QA meeting)
|| [[#tJul 15 12:58:24|Jul 15 12:58]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:58:49"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | I'm sorry, but the meeting planner doesn't allow for more TZ's ... but here's what I'm looking at so far
|| [[#tJul 15 12:58:49|Jul 15 12:58]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:58:49"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?month=7&amp;day=15&amp;year=2009&amp;p1=0&amp;p2=256&amp;p3=207&amp;p4=204
|| [[#tJul 15 12:58:49|Jul 15 12:58]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:59:14"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | was it bugzappers we did a matrix for before?
|| [[#tJul 15 12:59:14|Jul 15 12:59]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:59:29"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | I'd like to adjust the meeting a bit to accomodate dpravec's schedule better ... besides it's been @ 16:00 for too long now :)
|| [[#tJul 15 12:59:29|Jul 15 12:59]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:59:31"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #57a657" | | who do need these time changes
|| [[#tJul 15 12:59:31|Jul 15 12:59]]
|- id="tJul 15 12:59:54"
! style="background-color: #5959a9" | tk009
| style="color: #5959a9" | | adamw:  yes
|| [[#tJul 15 12:59:54|Jul 15 12:59]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:00:01"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | ah, ok. so we don't have one for qa
|| [[#tJul 15 13:00:01|Jul 15 13:00]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:00:06"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | f13
| style="color: #97974f" | | jlaska: that would mean moving it earlier
|| [[#tJul 15 13:00:06|Jul 15 13:00]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:00:08"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | tk009: do you have a link?
|| [[#tJul 15 13:00:08|Jul 15 13:00]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:00:10"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | jlaska: we should probably do the same as we did for bugzappers
|| [[#tJul 15 13:00:10|Jul 15 13:00]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:00:16"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | f13: another day or earlier
|| [[#tJul 15 13:00:16|Jul 15 13:00]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:00:19"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | f13
| style="color: #97974f" | | jlaska: I think at most I'd be comfortable one hour earlier
|| [[#tJul 15 13:00:19|Jul 15 13:00]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:00:23"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | set up a matrix of possible times and see when works best for everyone
|| [[#tJul 15 13:00:23|Jul 15 13:00]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:00:26"
! style="background-color: #5959a9" | tk009
| style="color: #5959a9" | | I dont sorry, not on my machine
|| [[#tJul 15 13:00:26|Jul 15 13:00]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:00:34"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | yeah, we really can't have it more than one hour earlier for those on the west coast
|| [[#tJul 15 13:00:34|Jul 15 13:00]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:00:43"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | one hour earlier is 7am for us in winter
|| [[#tJul 15 13:00:43|Jul 15 13:00]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:00:51"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | adamw: rise and shine!
|| [[#tJul 15 13:00:51|Jul 15 13:00]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:01:04"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #57a657" | | f13: does that fit the crappy daylight savings time or do we need to change it again later in the year?
|| [[#tJul 15 13:01:04|Jul 15 13:01]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:01:10"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | ugh, that'd be a wakeup call
|| [[#tJul 15 13:01:10|Jul 15 13:01]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:01:12"
! style="background-color: #adad5b" | kparal2
| style="color: #adad5b" | | maybe it could be changed depending on summer time?
|| [[#tJul 15 13:01:12|Jul 15 13:01]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:01:20"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | Viking-Ice: at present we're not changing for dst
|| [[#tJul 15 13:01:20|Jul 15 13:01]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:01:26"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | we keep it UTC
|| [[#tJul 15 13:01:26|Jul 15 13:01]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:01:36"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | f13
| style="color: #97974f" | | Viking-Ice: as stated, an hour earlier puts it at 0700 during the winter here in the states
|| [[#tJul 15 13:01:36|Jul 15 13:01]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:01:39"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | Viking-Ice: it's the same time in utc all year, which means for most people it moves one hour when dst hits
|| [[#tJul 15 13:01:39|Jul 15 13:01]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:01:45"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | okay, so I'll take an action to work up a matrix on the wiki and ask folks for their input
|| [[#tJul 15 13:01:45|Jul 15 13:01]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:01:51"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | f13
| style="color: #97974f" | | the only other day I have an early meeting is every other Tuesday
|| [[#tJul 15 13:01:51|Jul 15 13:01]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:02:03"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | jlaska: if you go through the test-list archives you can probably find a link to the matrix example page
|| [[#tJul 15 13:02:03|Jul 15 13:02]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:02:04"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | hopefully we can find a time that can highlight availability for folks
|| [[#tJul 15 13:02:04|Jul 15 13:02]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:02:05"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | f13
| style="color: #97974f" | | so every other day either current time or less good one our earlier worksf or me
|| [[#tJul 15 13:02:05|Jul 15 13:02]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:02:15"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | adamw: yeah I recall seeing it a long while ago ... thanks I'll take a look
|| [[#tJul 15 13:02:15|Jul 15 13:02]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:02:27"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | jlaska: oh, found it: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bugzappers_meeting_matrix
|| [[#tJul 15 13:02:27|Jul 15 13:02]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:02:43"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | adamw: sweet, thx
|| [[#tJul 15 13:02:43|Jul 15 13:02]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:03:00"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | okay I'll work this up and ask folks to update sometime after the meeting
|| [[#tJul 15 13:03:00|Jul 15 13:03]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:03:15"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | #topic Open discussion
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|- id="tJul 15 13:03:16"
| colspan="2" | --- | zodbot has changed the topic to: Open discussion (Meeting topic: Fedora QA meeting)
|| [[#tJul 15 13:03:16|Jul 15 13:03]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:03:25"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | okay ... time for the word of the day
|| [[#tJul 15 13:03:25|Jul 15 13:03]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:03:43"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | 'Sassafras'
|| [[#tJul 15 13:03:43|Jul 15 13:03]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:04:12"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | jk ... are there any topics/concerns folks want to raise during the meeting?
|| [[#tJul 15 13:04:12|Jul 15 13:04]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:04:20"
! style="background-color: #adad5b" | kparal2
| style="color: #adad5b" | | i just have a question - how many RHEL guys participate in the Fedora test days? just to have the notion
|| [[#tJul 15 13:04:20|Jul 15 13:04]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:04:39"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | depends on the topic
|| [[#tJul 15 13:04:39|Jul 15 13:04]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:04:43"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | how do you mean 'rhel guys' exactly?
|| [[#tJul 15 13:04:43|Jul 15 13:04]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:05:09"
! style="background-color: #adad5b" | kparal2
| style="color: #adad5b" | | well, internal redhat employees, working in RHEL
|| [[#tJul 15 13:05:09|Jul 15 13:05]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:05:10"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #57a657" | | Rebrand rawhide spins I think nirik push this to legal or some where else we need to keep an eye for it
|| [[#tJul 15 13:05:10|Jul 15 13:05]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:05:17"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #57a657" | | on it I mean
|| [[#tJul 15 13:05:17|Jul 15 13:05]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:05:33"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | kparal2: varies hugely by topic...some test days are essentially only _for_ that kind of person, but for something like, oh, nouveau test day, probably none
|| [[#tJul 15 13:05:33|Jul 15 13:05]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:05:35"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | f13
| style="color: #97974f" | | kparal2: that's quite hard to measure
|| [[#tJul 15 13:05:35|Jul 15 13:05]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:05:47"
! style="background-color: #adad5b" | kparal2
| style="color: #adad5b" | | ok
|| [[#tJul 15 13:05:47|Jul 15 13:05]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:05:59"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | Viking-Ice: oh thanks ... is there action needed by us on that topic, or is this something to keep on the radar?
|| [[#tJul 15 13:05:59|Jul 15 13:05]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:06:03"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | Viking-Ice: what's our involvement in that?
|| [[#tJul 15 13:06:03|Jul 15 13:06]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:06:03"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | f13
| style="color: #97974f" | | kparal2: many "rhel guys" are Fedora users themselves, many are upstream developers who use Fedora as a deployment and test platform, and many use Fedora for next RHEL development
|| [[#tJul 15 13:06:03|Jul 15 13:06]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:06:21"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #57a657" | | we make live cd for test day
|| [[#tJul 15 13:06:21|Jul 15 13:06]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:06:26"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #57a657" | | do we need to rebrand them
|| [[#tJul 15 13:06:26|Jul 15 13:06]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:06:33"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | oh interesting
|| [[#tJul 15 13:06:33|Jul 15 13:06]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:06:39"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | ugh
|| [[#tJul 15 13:06:39|Jul 15 13:06]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:06:47"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #57a657" | | exactly
|| [[#tJul 15 13:06:47|Jul 15 13:06]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:07:01"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | okay, will definitely keep an eye on that and update the livecd creation page if needed (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days/Live_Image)
|| [[#tJul 15 13:07:01|Jul 15 13:07]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:07:07"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | Viking-Ice: thanks!
|| [[#tJul 15 13:07:07|Jul 15 13:07]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:07:17"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #57a657" | | this is just plain stupid
|| [[#tJul 15 13:07:17|Jul 15 13:07]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:07:48"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | adamw
| style="color: #4b904b" | | Red Hat sues the Fedora QA group? :D
|| [[#tJul 15 13:07:48|Jul 15 13:07]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:08:00"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | awesome
|| [[#tJul 15 13:08:00|Jul 15 13:08]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:08:08"
| colspan="2" | * | adamw sees spot bearing down on him with legal papers
|| [[#tJul 15 13:08:08|Jul 15 13:08]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:08:12"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #57a657" | | think xfce spin maxamillions case
|| [[#tJul 15 13:08:12|Jul 15 13:08]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:08:17"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #57a657" | | rawhide spins that is
|| [[#tJul 15 13:08:17|Jul 15 13:08]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:08:18"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | right
|| [[#tJul 15 13:08:18|Jul 15 13:08]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:08:31"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #57a657" | | and all spins sigs for that matter
|| [[#tJul 15 13:08:31|Jul 15 13:08]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:09:05"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | f13
| style="color: #97974f" | | well, given that Red Hat/Fedora is the copyright holder on Fedora, we can make a case that we're allowed to do things with the copyright/logo that others aren't necessarily allowed to do
|| [[#tJul 15 13:09:05|Jul 15 13:09]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:09:16"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | f13
| style="color: #97974f" | | so things like snapshots and test day isos would fall under allowed
|| [[#tJul 15 13:09:16|Jul 15 13:09]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:09:38"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | Any other topics/concerns to raise in the meeting today folks?
|| [[#tJul 15 13:09:38|Jul 15 13:09]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:09:38"
| colspan="2" | --- | stickster is now known as stickster_food
|| [[#tJul 15 13:09:38|Jul 15 13:09]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:10:01"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | maxamillion
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | sorry, was side tracked by $dayjob
|| [[#tJul 15 13:10:01|Jul 15 13:10]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:10:12"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | maxamillion: no worries
|| [[#tJul 15 13:10:12|Jul 15 13:10]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:10:42"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | okay gang ... let's wrap it up for today
|| [[#tJul 15 13:10:42|Jul 15 13:10]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:10:51"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | I'll follow-up later today with minutes
|| [[#tJul 15 13:10:51|Jul 15 13:10]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:10:56"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | thanks everyone for your time :)
|| [[#tJul 15 13:10:56|Jul 15 13:10]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:11:04"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | #endmeeting
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| style="color: #854685" | | Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-07-15/fedora-meeting.2009-07-15-16.02.txt
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|- id="tJul 15 13:11:06"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | maxamillion
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | on the topic of the xfce rawhide spins, if there is a fedora controlled resource provided by the infrastructure team that I would be able to use to build and host the images such that I wouldn't be in violation of the trademark guidelines I would be very happy to do that
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! style="background-color: #854685" | zodbot
| style="color: #854685" | | Log:            http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-07-15/fedora-meeting.2009-07-15-16.02.log.html
|| [[#tJul 15 13:11:08|Jul 15 13:11]]
|- id="tJul 15 13:11:10"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | maxamillion
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | crap
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|- id="tJul 15 13:11:18"
| colspan="2" | * | maxamillion types too slow
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|- id="tJul 15 13:11:19"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | maxamillion: apologies ... let's move things over to #fedora-qa for now
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|- id="tJul 15 13:11:23"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | maxamillion
| style="color: #4d4d93" | | ok
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|- id="tJul 15 13:13:20"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dpravec
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | | jlaska, sorry for afk, i think just moving it to monday or tuesday could fix the timing problem
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|- id="tJul 15 13:13:43"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jlaska
| style="color: #818144" | | dpravec: okay thanks ... I'll follow-up with a link to the meeting matrix for folks to add their times
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Attendees

Agenda

Proposed meeting agenda

Previous meeting follow-up

  • [jlaska] - update fedora-qa privs so that viking_ice is on the default bcc
    • Updated fedora-qa trac instance ... viking_ice is now in the default bcc list.
  • [jlaska] - file a bunch of tickets to track wiki RFC's (requests for content) for debugging pages ... email list seeking volunteers after
  • [jlaska] - update QA/Goals wiki document

In the news

Alpha Blocker Bug Day #1

Friday, July 17th https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-July/msg00239.html

Fedora 12 Test Day schedule

Schedule: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Fedora_12_test_days Test Day candidates: Releases/12/FeatureList Events to consider:

  • Revisit of X drivers (e.g. nouveau)
  • Anaconda F12 features
    • Storage cleanup [1]
    • RAID [2]
    • Partition UI cleanup [3]
  • Upcoming NetworkManager changes
    • IPV6 [4]
    • System-wide connections [5]
    • Mobile broadband updates [6]
  • Audio test day
  1. ↑ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/Features/StorageFiltering
  2. ↑ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/Features/MDRaid
  3. ↑ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/Features/UICleanup
  4. ↑ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NetworkManagerIPv6
  5. ↑ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NetworkManagerSystemConnections
  6. ↑ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/MoreNetworkManagerMobileBroadband

AutoQA - update from wwoods

https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa

Meeting time?

Open discussion

Upcoming QA events

Action items

IRC Transcript

poelcat | we need to wrap up... I think QA meeting is next Jul 15 12:00
stickster | poelcat: Thanks for that date, I didn't realize we'd passed the deadline at this poitn. Jul 15 12:00
* | adamw taps foot and looks at watch Jul 15 12:00
jlaska | hehe Jul 15 12:00
stickster | OK, let's see if we can round up issues on list Jul 15 12:00
poelcat | thanks everyone Jul 15 12:00
stickster | Take it away QA! Jul 15 12:00
poelcat | #endmeeting Jul 15 12:00
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zodbot | Meeting ended Wed Jul 15 16:00:39 2009 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . Jul 15 12:00
zodbot | Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-07-15/fedora-meeting.2009-07-15-15.00.html Jul 15 12:00
zodbot | Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-07-15/fedora-meeting.2009-07-15-15.00.txt Jul 15 12:00
Sparks | poelcat: Let's send out nasty grams today reminding people of their tasks and see where we are on Monday Jul 15 12:00
zodbot | Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-07-15/fedora-meeting.2009-07-15-15.00.log.html Jul 15 12:00
* | adamw would like to clarify that his watch is not in fact on his foot Jul 15 12:00
stickster | heh Jul 15 12:00
jlaska | it's how you keep such good rhythm I thought Jul 15 12:01
jlaska | poelcat: do you guys need more time? Jul 15 12:01
dpravec | hi all Jul 15 12:01
jlaska | welcome dpravec Jul 15 12:01
jlaska | we'll get started shortly Jul 15 12:01
jlaska | #startmeeting Jul 15 12:02
zodbot | Meeting started Wed Jul 15 16:02:09 2009 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. Jul 15 12:02
zodbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. Jul 15 12:02
poelcat | jlaska: no we are done and wouldn't want to degrade the quality of our next release :) Jul 15 12:02
jlaska | haha Jul 15 12:02
jlaska | rats, there goes my first excuse ;) Jul 15 12:02
adamw | poelcat: don't worry, we can do that well enough on our own ;) Jul 15 12:02
poelcat | lol Jul 15 12:02
jlaska | #meetingtopic Fedora QA meeting Jul 15 12:02
--- | zodbot has changed the topic to: (Meeting topic: Fedora QA meeting) Jul 15 12:02
jlaska | #topic Gathering warm bodies Jul 15 12:02
--- | zodbot has changed the topic to: Gathering warm bodies (Meeting topic: Fedora QA meeting) Jul 15 12:02
maxamillion | lol Jul 15 12:02
jlaska | okay ... we've got a few familiar faces already ... let's do a roll call Jul 15 12:03
* | jlaska Jul 15 12:03
* | maxamillion Jul 15 12:03
* | poelcat stays in his seat, hi Jul 15 12:03
* | tk009 tk009 Jul 15 12:03
* | wwoods cambot! gypsy! tom servo! and crooooooow! Jul 15 12:03
* | kparal1 is here Jul 15 12:04
adamw | good job with the list then jlaska =) Jul 15 12:04
* | dpravec is here Jul 15 12:04
jlaska | uh oh ... the pressure is on ... good turn out today :) Jul 15 12:04
jlaska | okay, we've got a hard stop today in 55 minutes (Fedora Belux meeting) Jul 15 12:05
jlaska | let's do a quick recap from last week Jul 15 12:05
jlaska | #topic Previous meeting follow-up Jul 15 12:05
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* | jlaska hopes Viking-Ice is lurking Jul 15 12:06
jlaska | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20090715#Previous_meeting_follow-up Jul 15 12:06
* | Viking-Ice jumps in a little late.. Jul 15 12:06
jlaska | Viking-Ice: sweet, welcome Jul 15 12:06
jlaska | [jlaska] - update fedora-qa privs so that viking_ice is on the default bcc Jul 15 12:06
* | f13 Jul 15 12:06
jlaska | should be good there, Viking-Ice you should now be spamfull :) Jul 15 12:07
jlaska | f13: welcome! Jul 15 12:07
jlaska | Next up ... Jul 15 12:07
jlaska | * [jlaska] - file a bunch of tickets to track wiki RFC's (requests for content) for debugging pages ... email list seeking volunteers after Jul 15 12:07
jlaska | I filed just 3 so far for the 3 missing Debugging pages beland noted (see http://tinyurl.com/n6n24f) Jul 15 12:08
adamw | i'm hoping to do some work on those Jul 15 12:08
jlaska | Will send out a mail to the list letting folks know it's a good way to get involved Jul 15 12:08
jlaska | adamw: thanks, there were some other pages beland noted could use improvement ... I haven't done anything with those yet Jul 15 12:09
adamw | yeah, it's something i feel good about working on for sure, i have the resources and time for it again now Jul 15 12:09
jlaska | Awesome Jul 15 12:09
* | adamw went back from 8.9" to 40" of monitor space =) Jul 15 12:09
dpravec | i will need to feed my 12 months old daughter during this meeting. i would love to move it to another day of week, if that is possible... wednesday is not easy for me (my wife is going away for few hours, its 18:09 here) Jul 15 12:09
jlaska | dpravec: I've got a spot in the agenda to see if we can work up a new time Jul 15 12:10
dpravec | if i do not respond quickly, you know why :) Jul 15 12:10
jlaska | gotcha :) Jul 15 12:10
jlaska | okay, next up ... my always present Goal topic ... Jul 15 12:10
maxamillion | adamw: total side note, you getting native res on that vaio p yet? Jul 15 12:10
adamw | maxamillion: pm Jul 15 12:11
jlaska | * [jlaska] - update QA/Goals wiki document Jul 15 12:11
jlaska | Spent some time on that this morning, but need to keep thinking about a good way to represent and allow for growth Jul 15 12:11
jlaska | I'm not ready to toss it out for review yet ... but playing around with different methods in a draft page Jul 15 12:12
jlaska | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jlaska/Draft Jul 15 12:12
jlaska | I'll keep playing throughout the week, if folks have input, feel free to get in touch with me Jul 15 12:13
jlaska | that's it from me Jul 15 12:13
jlaska | any other follow-up items folks wanted to discus from last week? Jul 15 12:13
f13 | let me look at the agenda real quick again Jul 15 12:14
f13 | well, we could talk about the changes to F12 schedule Jul 15 12:15
jlaska | Okay, I'll add that to the news section Jul 15 12:15
jlaska | #topic In the news - Fedora 12 QA schedule updates Jul 15 12:15
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jlaska | as f13 points out, a group of us gathered in fedora talk this week to hash out some ideas around QA milestones on the F12 schedule Jul 15 12:16
* | jlaska trying to find linky Jul 15 12:17
jlaska | https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-July/msg00241.html Jul 15 12:17
jlaska | poelcat: summarized the outcome ... as listed in the email above Jul 15 12:18
f13 | he also updated the schedule pages on his people pages Jul 15 12:18
f13 | http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-quality-tasks.html Jul 15 12:18
f13 | hrm, that seems not what you need. Jul 15 12:19
f13 | oh, n/m. It shows the testing of things, just not when they're composed. Jul 15 12:19
* | poelcat hasn't done a recent review of the quality schedule... we discussed http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-releng-tasks.html Jul 15 12:19
poelcat | which overlaps w/ both Jul 15 12:19
poelcat | though it should be correct Jul 15 12:20
adamw | the schedule looks pretty good to me Jul 15 12:20
adamw | lots of bug review days which i like :) Jul 15 12:20
jlaska | the added bug days and agreement on the pre/post freeze composes is a huge plus for me :) Jul 15 12:20
jlaska | so speaking of ... this is a good tie into the next topic ... Jul 15 12:21
jlaska | #topic Alpha Blocker Bug Day #1 - Friday, July 17th Jul 15 12:21
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jlaska | poelcat: sent out the reminder to f-test-list and f-devel-list ... https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-July/msg00239.html Jul 15 12:21
jlaska | as you can see the list is completely empty right now ... which I don't think means we have no bugs Jul 15 12:21
jlaska | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=f12alpha Jul 15 12:22
buggbot | Bug 507676: medium, low, ---, notting, NEW, Fedora 12 Alpha tracker Jul 15 12:22
adamw | maybe we should look at all f12blocker bugs and see if any are appropriate to block f12alpha too Jul 15 12:22
adamw | i've honestly just been thinking about f12blocker and not f12alpha... Jul 15 12:22
jlaska | adamw: that's a good suggestion ... there was also talk about the F11target list which you already commented on I think Jul 15 12:23
adamw | yeah, i don't have a massively strong opinion on that though. Jul 15 12:23
jlaska | agreed, nor do I Jul 15 12:23
adamw | i can take a few minutes today to go through f12blocker and put appropriate stuff on f12alpha too if you like, put that down as an action item Jul 15 12:23
jlaska | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=473303&hide_resolved=1 Jul 15 12:23
jlaska | not too too bad Jul 15 12:24
jlaska | so .. this raises the question for me, what type of issues constitute an Alpha blocker Jul 15 12:24
jlaska | should we go by severity? Jul 15 12:24
poelcat | semi-related... I drafted up https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Poelstra/blocker_bug_meeting_sop Jul 15 12:24
f13 | don't we have alpha release criteria we could go by? Jul 15 12:25
jlaska | I just see the standard https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/ReleaseCriteria page right now Jul 15 12:25
maxamillion | I think https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=510033 should be a F12Alpha blocker Jul 15 12:25
buggbot | Bug 510033: medium, low, ---, anaconda-maint-list, NEW, AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'name' Jul 15 12:25
adamw | i think for alpha we should probably be going more or less by the critical path stuff Jul 15 12:26
adamw | plus X, maybe? meh. Jul 15 12:26
jlaska | adamw: that's a good way to tie it into recent proposals Jul 15 12:26
wwoods | X is in the critical path. Jul 15 12:26
f13 | X is in the critical path Jul 15 12:26
adamw | oh ok. :) Jul 15 12:26
adamw | wusses! Jul 15 12:26
jlaska | ;) Jul 15 12:26
* | adamw has visions of ancient beardy types shaking fists Jul 15 12:27
jlaska | Do folks have any opinions on documenting what we should be keeping on the radar for the alpha? Jul 15 12:28
adamw | well, my suggestion is - make it the critical path stuff. Jul 15 12:28
poelcat | adamw: if there aren't many bugs to discuss on Friday... laying out the criteria would be a good thing to do Jul 15 12:28
* | poelcat won't be able to attend Jul 15 12:28
jlaska | adamw: yeah, I think limiting to the scope of components to critical path is a good thing Jul 15 12:28
jlaska | but does that mean all bugs against critical path components, just urgent, panics etc... Jul 15 12:29
jlaska | heck, I wonder if we should limit things to critical path for all milestones (and document how the criteria can be extended outside that scope) Jul 15 12:29
adamw | i dunno, flying by the seat of my pants here. Jul 15 12:29
jlaska | welcome to the club ;) Jul 15 12:30
jlaska | I'd be willing to take a crack at documenting some guidelines, but I could use some help with that Jul 15 12:30
adamw | i can think of some nice-in-theory approaches Jul 15 12:31
adamw | we could just use the existing work and say 'critical severity bugs in in critical path packages'... Jul 15 12:31
jlaska | hmm, that's actually good and fits ... KISS Jul 15 12:32
adamw | but in practical terms i'm not sure it can be that simple. i mean, i'm looking through f12blocker on the side right now Jul 15 12:32
adamw | and we see 486284 , which is the grub support for ext4 stuff Jul 15 12:32
jlaska | which is a RFE right? Jul 15 12:32
adamw | hmm, that's one way to square that circle, yeah Jul 15 12:32
adamw | RFE's are different! Jul 15 12:32
adamw | :) Jul 15 12:32
jlaska | heh Jul 15 12:33
dpravec | :) Jul 15 12:33
adamw | well, we can try and go with a simple definition for now and get thornier from there =) Jul 15 12:33
dpravec | i would also see all apps having manpages... iirc in debian this is serious bug... Jul 15 12:33
mcepl | let me just jump in ... "all the bugs on the critical path" is too much IMHO ... there are tons of X bugs where Xorg just isn't. Are those alpha blockers as well? Jul 15 12:33
dpravec | love to see* Jul 15 12:34
f13 | and if you say critical severity of critical path packages, then we'd have to spend the day defining the criteria to make those bugs critical severity Jul 15 12:34
f13 | because I'm sure most of them aren't. Jul 15 12:34
f13 | or many are that shouldn't be. Jul 15 12:34
adamw | we have critera for the severity ratings already. Jul 15 12:34
f13 | mcepl: "all bugs" is wrong. Jul 15 12:34
jlaska | f13: afaik ... severify is defined Jul 15 12:34
f13 | defined yes, applied? Jul 15 12:34
f13 | and does it truly match up with alpha release criteria? Jul 15 12:34
jlaska | exactly, that's I think what we're working through Jul 15 12:35
adamw | probably not 100% yet, but that's fine. what we mean is "bugs that are critical if the criteria are properly applied"... Jul 15 12:35
adamw | yeah, that's what i'm not sure about yet. Jul 15 12:35
adamw | the grub thing was my first obvious non-conformer, but as jlaska points out that's an rfe, and those are always tricky Jul 15 12:35
jlaska | it's also tricky to do this pre-freeze ... but I think this is forcing us to ask these questions waaaay before we normally do Jul 15 12:35
jlaska | which is good Jul 15 12:35
wwoods | I kinda wish we had some brainstorm type thing that RFEs could go into Jul 15 12:36
mcepl | f13: OK, is this https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=498457 Alpha blocker (to the best of my knowledge it is still the same in Rawhide as in F11)? Jul 15 12:36
wwoods | to keep them out of bugzilla Jul 15 12:36
buggbot | Bug 498457: urgent, low, ---, airlied, ASSIGNED, "radeon" driver fails on F11 Preview and Xpress 200M Jul 15 12:36
maxamillion | I'm new to the QA meetings so its highly possible this is common knowledge, but what's the process to get a bug added to a blocker list? Jul 15 12:36
jlaska | maxamillion: thanks for joining! Jul 15 12:37
adamw | mcepl: i've been working for a while on the basis that bugs in a single specific piece of hardware are not 'critical', only 'high'...could probably codify that more explicitly in the severity policy Jul 15 12:37
adamw | mcepl: because otherwise we'll just be drowning in critical X bugs Jul 15 12:37
wwoods | maxamillion: if you're confident that it's actually a blocker (see definitions) then you just add the bug alias (e.g. F12Blocker) to the "Blocks:" field on your bug Jul 15 12:37
adamw | the alias for f12 alpha is 'F12Alpha' Jul 15 12:37
mcepl | adamw: yeah, that was exactly my point Jul 15 12:37
Jul 15 12:38:00<maxamillion> | jlaska: happy to be here :) ... mainly jumping in from the aspect of the Xfce SIG, that's my main focus at the moment but Fedora as a whole I'd love to help out as much as I am able
adamw | mcepl: lemme see what we have written down about that in the policy atm Jul 15 12:38
* | mcepl is pull himself out of the discussion again Jul 15 12:38
mcepl | adamw: nothing Jul 15 12:38
mcepl | IIRC Jul 15 12:38
maxamillion | wwoods: are the blocker definitions in the wiki? Jul 15 12:38
jlaska | maxamillion: that's sort of the discussion now Jul 15 12:38
Jul 15 12:38:47<maxamillion> | jlaska: ah
* | maxamillion misunderstood Jul 15 12:38
mcepl | adamw: just that there is no way how to make Xorg work for this card without quite particular changes in xorg.conf. Jul 15 12:38
jlaska | no worries, as I see it ... trying to figure out a good way to help contributors know what a good blocker candidate bug is Jul 15 12:39
adamw | mcepl: yeah, so by the current quite short stanza in 'how to triage' it should be urgent, i agree; i'll add a caveat about hardware-specific issues there Jul 15 12:39
wwoods | maxamillion: current definition is, roughly, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/ReleaseCriteria Jul 15 12:39
adamw | mcepl: in practice i've been calling bugs like that 'high', not 'urgent' Jul 15 12:39
maxamillion | wwoods: thank you Jul 15 12:39
jlaska | okay ... let's summarize this topic ... Jul 15 12:40
jlaska | * the current release criteria are located at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/ReleaseCriteria Jul 15 12:40
jlaska | * For the Alpha, we've decided to evaluate bugs by severity:urgent and compoent in critial path packages? Jul 15 12:41
jlaska | or is that still a proposal that needs hashing through? Jul 15 12:41
jlaska | adamw: got a link to the severity definitions? I think my awesome bar still has the old draft link Jul 15 12:41
f13 | mcepl: re that bug, this is where we start to apply "how many people does it hurt" thinking, as well as "how long until it can be fixed" Jul 15 12:42
adamw | jlaska: there's two places: the How to Triage page - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/How_to_Triage#Checklist_for_NEW_Bug_Triage (number 9) Jul 15 12:42
adamw | that has the quick practical instructions Jul 15 12:42
adamw | then the bug workflow page - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/BugStatusWorkFlow - has more detailed policy Jul 15 12:42
adamw | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/BugStatusWorkFlow#Priority_and_Severity Jul 15 12:42
wwoods | the release criteria can (and should!) be updated to better match reality and new policies/proposals Jul 15 12:43
wwoods | they're not set in stone or anything Jul 15 12:43
adamw | i have just added a quick exception to the how-to-triage page for hardware-specific issues Jul 15 12:43
jlaska | okay ... so we'll go with the notes above for now. And likely adjust as needed Jul 15 12:44
jlaska | if folks are interested in helping to define, feel free to drop me a line or send ideas to the mailing list Jul 15 12:44
jlaska | #topic Fedora 12 Test Day schedule Jul 15 12:44
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jlaska | Just a quick blurb about F12 test days ... Jul 15 12:44
jlaska | the schedule is light at this point still Jul 15 12:45
jlaska | however, adamw and I have a few topics planned that haven't yet landed on the schedule Jul 15 12:45
adamw | you may have to remind me about those, my brain is feeling lightly frazzled atm :) Jul 15 12:45
jlaska | ... incoming ... Jul 15 12:45
jlaska | I've got the full links in the minutes and on the discussion <tab> Jul 15 12:46
jlaska | but what's being planned so far includes: Jul 15 12:46
jlaska | * Revisit of X drivers (e.g. nouveau) Jul 15 12:46
jlaska | * Anaconda F12 features Jul 15 12:46
jlaska | o Storage cleanup [1] Jul 15 12:46
jlaska | o RAID [2] Jul 15 12:46
jlaska | o Partition UI cleanup [3] Jul 15 12:46
jlaska | * Upcoming NetworkManager changes Jul 15 12:46
jlaska | o IPV6 [4] Jul 15 12:46
jlaska | o System-wide connections [5] Jul 15 12:46
jlaska | o Mobile broadband updates [6] Jul 15 12:46
jlaska | * Audio test day Jul 15 12:46
jlaska | Jul 15 12:46
jlaska | if folks have ideas or would like to pitch a test day topic ... let me or adamw know ... or send a suggestion to the team list (fedora-test-list) Jul 15 12:47
jlaska | Dracut and Virtualization are already planned Jul 15 12:47
jlaska | and thanks to Viking-Ice for his help in fleshing out test and debugging pages for dracut! Jul 15 12:47
adamw | yeah that was awesome Jul 15 12:48
jlaska | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Dracut/Debugging Jul 15 12:48
jlaska | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Dracut/Testing Jul 15 12:48
jlaska | okay ... 12 minutes remaining ... Jul 15 12:48
jlaska | switching over to autoqa Jul 15 12:48
jlaska | #topic AutoQA - update from wwoods Jul 15 12:48
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jlaska | wwoods: want to walk us through a brief update? Jul 15 12:49
wwoods | sure Jul 15 12:49
wwoods | So the first big milestone for autoqa is still the israwhidebroken.com project Jul 15 12:49
wwoods | the first big chunk of that was writing the rawhide acceptance test plan Jul 15 12:50
* | kparal2 has rejoined because of broken internet connection, sorry Jul 15 12:50
wwoods | that's https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Rawhide_Acceptance_Test_Plan Jul 15 12:50
wwoods | last week I finished writing the test cases Jul 15 12:50
jlaska | kparal2: no worries, welcome back :) Jul 15 12:50
wwoods | two of the test cases required some critical path work to be done first Jul 15 12:51
wwoods | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Core_package_dependency_closure_test_case Jul 15 12:51
wwoods | and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Core_package_existence_test_case Jul 15 12:51
wwoods | those test cases will probably change as we develop some tools for examining the critical path packages Jul 15 12:51
wwoods | and then there's the two super-basic functional tests: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Network_basic_test_case Jul 15 12:52
wwoods | and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Yum_simple_update_test_case Jul 15 12:52
wwoods | as described in the test plan, those are the two functional things we'll check before bothering with any other testing Jul 15 12:52
wwoods | so don't get confused and think "this is all the testing they're doing?" Jul 15 12:52
wwoods | this is just the set of things we have to test before the *real* testing can even start. Jul 15 12:53
wwoods | so anyway - first versions of all the test cases are now complete and I'm starting to read up on autotest Jul 15 12:53
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wwoods | and write automated tests for these test cases Jul 15 12:53
wwoods | using the autotest API Jul 15 12:53
wwoods | more info about the tasks / progress can be found here: https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/milestone/israwhidebroken.com Jul 15 12:54
* | jlaska adds a blurb about cricital path to the test plan risks section Jul 15 12:54
Viking-Ice | Could we please not use this <code>blurp</code> and rather use <pre>blurp</pre> in the wiki when working with commands Jul 15 12:55
wwoods | that doesn't work inside bulleted lists. Jul 15 12:55
maxamillion | wwoods: http://autotest.kernel.org <-- is this the autotest you are talking about? Jul 15 12:55
wwoods | or rather, it breaks numbered lists Jul 15 12:55
wwoods | maxamillion: yes Jul 15 12:55
jlaska | wwoods: cool, any other updates/concerns? Jul 15 12:56
Viking-Ice | then let's not use it et al.. Jul 15 12:56
jlaska | I've asked kparal2 to look at the test case tickets you've outlined too ... so he'll be trying to familiarize himself soon Jul 15 12:56
adamw | actually, for commands you should use foobar Jul 15 12:56
f13 | maxamillion: yes, I've been working on getting it packaged and deployed in Fedora infrastrcuture for our use Jul 15 12:56
adamw | oh, that's just for one-word commands though Jul 15 12:56
Viking-Ice | adamw: that equally sucks... Jul 15 12:57
adamw | sorry. Jul 15 12:57
maxamillion | f13: ah, awesome Jul 15 12:57
f13 | any other colors we'd like the bike shed? Jul 15 12:57
wwoods | jlaska: not really? things are going to get harder when we start trying to do the boot / installer / functional tests Jul 15 12:57
f13 | or can we move on? Jul 15 12:57
adamw | f13: puce! Jul 15 12:57
wwoods | but we'll deal with that once some of the other autotest stuff is worked out. Jul 15 12:57
jlaska | wwoods: yeah exactly Jul 15 12:57
jlaska | Viking-Ice: perhaps an offline discussion around updating the usage of <code> in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Help:Editing ? Jul 15 12:58
jlaska | okay last topic ... Jul 15 12:58
jlaska | with 2 minutes left Jul 15 12:58
jlaska | #topic Updated meeting time Jul 15 12:58
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jlaska | I'm sorry, but the meeting planner doesn't allow for more TZ's ... but here's what I'm looking at so far Jul 15 12:58
jlaska | http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?month=7&day=15&year=2009&p1=0&p2=256&p3=207&p4=204 Jul 15 12:58
adamw | was it bugzappers we did a matrix for before? Jul 15 12:59
jlaska | I'd like to adjust the meeting a bit to accomodate dpravec's schedule better ... besides it's been @ 16:00 for too long now :) Jul 15 12:59
Viking-Ice | who do need these time changes Jul 15 12:59
tk009 | adamw: yes Jul 15 12:59
adamw | ah, ok. so we don't have one for qa Jul 15 13:00
f13 | jlaska: that would mean moving it earlier Jul 15 13:00
jlaska | tk009: do you have a link? Jul 15 13:00
adamw | jlaska: we should probably do the same as we did for bugzappers Jul 15 13:00
jlaska | f13: another day or earlier Jul 15 13:00
f13 | jlaska: I think at most I'd be comfortable one hour earlier Jul 15 13:00
adamw | set up a matrix of possible times and see when works best for everyone Jul 15 13:00
tk009 | I dont sorry, not on my machine Jul 15 13:00
adamw | yeah, we really can't have it more than one hour earlier for those on the west coast Jul 15 13:00
adamw | one hour earlier is 7am for us in winter Jul 15 13:00
jlaska | adamw: rise and shine! Jul 15 13:00
Viking-Ice | f13: does that fit the crappy daylight savings time or do we need to change it again later in the year? Jul 15 13:01
jlaska | ugh, that'd be a wakeup call Jul 15 13:01
kparal2 | maybe it could be changed depending on summer time? Jul 15 13:01
adamw | Viking-Ice: at present we're not changing for dst Jul 15 13:01
jlaska | we keep it UTC Jul 15 13:01
f13 | Viking-Ice: as stated, an hour earlier puts it at 0700 during the winter here in the states Jul 15 13:01
adamw | Viking-Ice: it's the same time in utc all year, which means for most people it moves one hour when dst hits Jul 15 13:01
jlaska | okay, so I'll take an action to work up a matrix on the wiki and ask folks for their input Jul 15 13:01
f13 | the only other day I have an early meeting is every other Tuesday Jul 15 13:01
adamw | jlaska: if you go through the test-list archives you can probably find a link to the matrix example page Jul 15 13:02
jlaska | hopefully we can find a time that can highlight availability for folks Jul 15 13:02
f13 | so every other day either current time or less good one our earlier worksf or me Jul 15 13:02
jlaska | adamw: yeah I recall seeing it a long while ago ... thanks I'll take a look Jul 15 13:02
adamw | jlaska: oh, found it: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bugzappers_meeting_matrix Jul 15 13:02
jlaska | adamw: sweet, thx Jul 15 13:02
jlaska | okay I'll work this up and ask folks to update sometime after the meeting Jul 15 13:03
jlaska | #topic Open discussion Jul 15 13:03
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jlaska | okay ... time for the word of the day Jul 15 13:03
jlaska | 'Sassafras' Jul 15 13:03
jlaska | jk ... are there any topics/concerns folks want to raise during the meeting? Jul 15 13:04
kparal2 | i just have a question - how many RHEL guys participate in the Fedora test days? just to have the notion Jul 15 13:04
adamw | depends on the topic Jul 15 13:04
adamw | how do you mean 'rhel guys' exactly? Jul 15 13:04
kparal2 | well, internal redhat employees, working in RHEL Jul 15 13:05
Viking-Ice | Rebrand rawhide spins I think nirik push this to legal or some where else we need to keep an eye for it Jul 15 13:05
Viking-Ice | on it I mean Jul 15 13:05
adamw | kparal2: varies hugely by topic...some test days are essentially only _for_ that kind of person, but for something like, oh, nouveau test day, probably none Jul 15 13:05
f13 | kparal2: that's quite hard to measure Jul 15 13:05
kparal2 | ok Jul 15 13:05
jlaska | Viking-Ice: oh thanks ... is there action needed by us on that topic, or is this something to keep on the radar? Jul 15 13:05
adamw | Viking-Ice: what's our involvement in that? Jul 15 13:06
f13 | kparal2: many "rhel guys" are Fedora users themselves, many are upstream developers who use Fedora as a deployment and test platform, and many use Fedora for next RHEL development Jul 15 13:06
Viking-Ice | we make live cd for test day Jul 15 13:06
Viking-Ice | do we need to rebrand them Jul 15 13:06
jlaska | oh interesting Jul 15 13:06
jlaska | ugh Jul 15 13:06
Viking-Ice | exactly Jul 15 13:06
jlaska | okay, will definitely keep an eye on that and update the livecd creation page if needed (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days/Live_Image) Jul 15 13:07
jlaska | Viking-Ice: thanks! Jul 15 13:07
Viking-Ice | this is just plain stupid Jul 15 13:07
adamw | Red Hat sues the Fedora QA group? :D Jul 15 13:07
jlaska | awesome Jul 15 13:08
* | adamw sees spot bearing down on him with legal papers Jul 15 13:08
Viking-Ice | think xfce spin maxamillions case Jul 15 13:08
Viking-Ice | rawhide spins that is Jul 15 13:08
jlaska | right Jul 15 13:08
Viking-Ice | and all spins sigs for that matter Jul 15 13:08
f13 | well, given that Red Hat/Fedora is the copyright holder on Fedora, we can make a case that we're allowed to do things with the copyright/logo that others aren't necessarily allowed to do Jul 15 13:09
f13 | so things like snapshots and test day isos would fall under allowed Jul 15 13:09
jlaska | Any other topics/concerns to raise in the meeting today folks? Jul 15 13:09
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maxamillion | sorry, was side tracked by $dayjob Jul 15 13:10
jlaska | maxamillion: no worries Jul 15 13:10
jlaska | okay gang ... let's wrap it up for today Jul 15 13:10
jlaska | I'll follow-up later today with minutes Jul 15 13:10
jlaska | thanks everyone for your time :) Jul 15 13:10
jlaska | #endmeeting Jul 15 13:11
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maxamillion | on the topic of the xfce rawhide spins, if there is a fedora controlled resource provided by the infrastructure team that I would be able to use to build and host the images such that I wouldn't be in violation of the trademark guidelines I would be very happy to do that Jul 15 13:11
zodbot | Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-07-15/fedora-meeting.2009-07-15-16.02.log.html Jul 15 13:11
maxamillion | crap Jul 15 13:11
* | maxamillion types too slow Jul 15 13:11
jlaska | maxamillion: apologies ... let's move things over to #fedora-qa for now Jul 15 13:11
maxamillion | ok Jul 15 13:11
dpravec | jlaska, sorry for afk, i think just moving it to monday or tuesday could fix the timing problem Jul 15 13:13
jlaska | dpravec: okay thanks ... I'll follow-up with a link to the meeting matrix for folks to add their times Jul 15 13:13

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