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People present (lines said)
People present (lines said)
# jlaska (116)
# adamw (28)
# vhumpa (15)
# Viking-Ice (13)
# brunowolff (7)
# robatino (6)
# kparal (4)
# tflink (1)
# jskladan_afk (1)


Unable to attend:
Unable to attend:
# [[User:Rhe|Rhe]] (hopefully sleeping)
# [[User:Rhe|Rhe]] (hopefully sleeping)
# [[User:Hongqing|Hongqing]] (hopefully sleeping)
# [[User:Hongqing|Hongqing]] (hopefully sleeping)
# [[User:Twu|Twu]] (hopefully sleeping)


= Agenda =
= Agenda =
* [FIXME Proposed meeting agenda]
* [http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-March/097566.html Proposed meeting agenda]
* [FIXME MeetBot summary]
* [http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-03-07/fedora-qa.2011-03-07-16.00.html MeetBot summary]


== Previous meeting follow-up ==
== Previous meeting follow-up ==
# Viking-Ice - solicit feedback on test@lists.fedoraproject.org to see whether we need to require only bugzilla.redhat.com use during test days
# Viking-Ice - solicit feedback on test@lists.fedoraproject.org to see whether we need to require only bugzilla.redhat.com use during test days
#* Filed bugzilla RFE {{bz|679898}}.  Viking-Ice also noted he might discuss this RFE upstream
# jlaska - review blocker bug meeting SOP and add include bug summary by way of #info for each bug
# jlaska - review blocker bug meeting SOP and add include bug summary by way of #info for each bug
#* updated https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting to add a #info for each bug discussed
# robatino+jlaska - infrastructure hosting of delta ISO images
# robatino+jlaska - infrastructure hosting of delta ISO images
#* nb helped to provide hosting delta-isos at http://serverbeach1.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/deltaisos/


== Upcoming QA events ==
== Upcoming QA events ==


=== Tuesday, March 08 - l10n Desktop Test Day ===
=== Tuesday, March 08 - l10n Desktop Test Day ===
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-03-08_L10n_Desktop
* https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-03-08_L10n_Desktop
* adamw noted that the test case link doesn't point to a valid test case template (e.g. QA:TestCase_foo_bar_baz)


=== Thursday, March 10 - Gnome3 Pre-Beta Test Day ===
=== Thursday, March 10 - Gnome3 Pre-Beta Test Day ===
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-03-10_GNOME3_Beta
* https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-03-10_GNOME3_Beta
* Vhumpa noted the event wiki is ready and determined that a nightly live ISO would work for testing


=== Friday, March 11 - F15Beta bug review #1 ===
=== Friday, March 11 - F15Beta bug review #1 ===
http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-15/f-15-quality-tasks.html
* Per the schedule, we'll have our first beta blocker review this Friday - http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-15/f-15-quality-tasks.html
* https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting


=== Thursday, March 17 - Preupgrade Test Day ===  
=== Thursday, March 17 - Preupgrade Test Day ===  
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-03-17_Preupgrade
* https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-03-17_Preupgrade
* Need updated preupgrade that works without 'images/install.img' to test with F13 and F14 (resolves {{bz|646843}} - images/install.img will no longer exist in F-15 and newer)


= Open discussion - <Your topic here> =
= Open discussion - <Your topic here> =
# jlaska and adamw discussed documenting the outstanding bugs requesting CommonBugs documentation.  The process is detailed at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F15_bugs#My_bug_is_not_listed
# vhumpa asked about alt.fedoraproject.org download speeds for live images.  brunowolff noted the speeds should be okay and jlaska reminded to raise any issues with #fedora-admin for guidance


= Action items =
= Action items =
= IRC Transcript =
{|
|- id="t16:00:03"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting
|| [[#t16:00:03|16:00]]
|- id="t16:00:03"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | Meeting started Mon Mar  7 16:00:03 2011 UTC.  The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
|| [[#t16:00:03|16:00]]
|- id="t16:00:03"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
|| [[#t16:00:03|16:00]]
|- id="t16:00:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #meetingname fedora-qa
|| [[#t16:00:06|16:00]]
|- id="t16:00:06"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa'
|| [[#t16:00:06|16:00]]
|- id="t16:00:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Roll Call
|| [[#t16:00:12|16:00]]
|- id="t16:00:28"
! style="background-color: #818144" | vhumpa
| style="color: #818144" | Hia!
|| [[#t16:00:28|16:00]]
|- id="t16:00:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Hi folks ... anyone lurking for the QA meeting today?
|| [[#t16:00:32|16:00]]
|- id="t16:00:35"
| colspan="2" | * brunowolff is here.
|| [[#t16:00:35|16:00]]
|- id="t16:00:38"
| colspan="2" | * kparal again alive
|| [[#t16:00:38|16:00]]
|- id="t16:00:40"
| colspan="2" | * vhumpa is here
|| [[#t16:00:40|16:00]]
|- id="t16:00:41"
| colspan="2" | * jskladan_afk tips his hat
|| [[#t16:00:41|16:00]]
|- id="t16:00:45"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal lives!
|| [[#t16:00:45|16:00]]
|- id="t16:00:50"
| colspan="2" | * tflink is here
|| [[#t16:00:50|16:00]]
|- id="t16:00:55"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | howdy brunowolff vhumpa jskladan tflink  :)
|| [[#t16:00:55|16:00]]
|- id="t16:01:02"
| colspan="2" | * Viking-Ice here
|| [[#t16:01:02|16:01]]
|- id="t16:01:15"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | hey hey Viking-Ice
|| [[#t16:01:15|16:01]]
|- id="t16:01:40"
| colspan="2" | * jlaska waits another minute before getting started
|| [[#t16:01:40|16:01]]
|- id="t16:02:40"
! style="background-color: #854685" | adamw
| style="color: #854685" | yo
|| [[#t16:02:40|16:02]]
|- id="t16:02:48"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | a minute on the nose!
|| [[#t16:02:48|16:02]]
|- id="t16:02:55"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: greetings
|| [[#t16:02:55|16:02]]
|- id="t16:03:06"
| colspan="2" | * adamw should really set his alarm for 7:54
|| [[#t16:03:06|16:03]]
|- id="t16:03:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | alright, we have a light agenda today ... so let's dive in
|| [[#t16:03:11|16:03]]
|- id="t16:03:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info Proposed Agenda - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-March/097566.html
|| [[#t16:03:27|16:03]]
|- id="t16:03:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Previous meeting follow-up
|| [[#t16:03:34|16:03]]
|- id="t16:03:57"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info Viking-Ice - solicit feedback on test@lists.fedoraproject.org to see whether we need to require only bugzilla.redhat.com use during test days
|| [[#t16:03:57|16:03]]
|- id="t16:04:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Viking-Ice: any updates you want to highlight?
|| [[#t16:04:06|16:04]]
|- id="t16:05:19"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | okay ... I'll note if any updates come up
|| [[#t16:05:19|16:05]]
|- id="t16:05:57"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | otherwise, I propose moving this off the follow-up list ... I can certainly add it back when needed
|| [[#t16:05:57|16:05]]
|- id="t16:06:16"
! style="background-color: #488888" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #488888" | still waiting for feed back on  the bugzilla RFE I filed
|| [[#t16:06:16|16:06]]
|- id="t16:06:26"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | got a link?
|| [[#t16:06:26|16:06]]
|- id="t16:06:32"
! style="background-color: #488888" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #488888" | maybe I should move that to upstream mozilla
|| [[#t16:06:32|16:06]]
|- id="t16:06:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | yes!
|| [[#t16:06:37|16:06]]
|- id="t16:06:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I believe it's a sizable feature request
|| [[#t16:06:51|16:06]]
|- id="t16:07:11"
! style="background-color: #488888" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #488888" | bug 679898
|| [[#t16:07:11|16:07]]
|- id="t16:07:50"
! style="background-color: #488888" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #488888" | if that gets implemented it would solve that problem along with others as well ( from maintainers perspective )
|| [[#t16:07:50|16:07]]
|- id="t16:07:58"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=679898
|| [[#t16:07:58|16:07]]
|- id="t16:08:21"
! style="background-color: #488888" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #488888" | and we could always use our bugzilla instance to report against
|| [[#t16:08:21|16:08]]
|- id="t16:08:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | sure ... we'll monitor that request
|| [[#t16:08:33|16:08]]
|- id="t16:08:59"
! style="background-color: #488888" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #488888" | I have been expecting anykind of feed back from the red hat bugzilla team on that RFE
|| [[#t16:08:59|16:08]]
|- id="t16:09:40"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I'm not surprised our current bz maintainer has not responded yet
|| [[#t16:09:40|16:09]]
|- id="t16:09:53"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | he's new and coming up to speed with maint ... and this is definitely a big RFE :)
|| [[#t16:09:53|16:09]]
|- id="t16:10:18"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Your instinct about moving upstream is appropriate
|| [[#t16:10:18|16:10]]
|- id="t16:10:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | okay ... we'll stay tuned for any updates
|| [[#t16:10:28|16:10]]
|- id="t16:10:35"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info jlaska - review blocker bug meeting SOP and add include bug summary by way of #info for each bug
|| [[#t16:10:35|16:10]]
|- id="t16:10:36"
! style="background-color: #488888" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #488888" | Ok will do
|| [[#t16:10:36|16:10]]
|- id="t16:10:48"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | nothing earth shattering here, just a minor wiki update
|| [[#t16:10:48|16:10]]
|- id="t16:10:57"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting
|| [[#t16:10:57|16:10]]
|- id="t16:11:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I'll try to follow this and use #info tags during this Fridays blocker meeting
|| [[#t16:11:13|16:11]]
|- id="t16:11:36"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I'm lazy, and wish that meetbot/zodbot/*bot could automatically do this ... but haven't had time to look at the bot code
|| [[#t16:11:36|16:11]]
|- id="t16:11:50"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | so ... exercise for anyone who likes bots
|| [[#t16:11:50|16:11]]
|- id="t16:11:55"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info robatino+jlaska - infrastructure hosting of delta ISO images
|| [[#t16:11:55|16:11]]
|- id="t16:12:08"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | robatino and nb get the credit for this ... it seems the issue has been resolved
|| [[#t16:12:08|16:12]]
|- id="t16:12:29"
| colspan="2" | * kparal starts fireworks
|| [[#t16:12:29|16:12]]
|- id="t16:12:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | iirc, robatino now has the space needed to publish the TC and RC delta ISOs for testers
|| [[#t16:12:34|16:12]]
|- id="t16:12:40"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | robatino
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | hosted now at http://serverbeach1.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/deltaisos/ - comments for organization welcome
|| [[#t16:12:40|16:12]]
|- id="t16:12:57"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | robatino
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | right now the top-level directory is newiso, the next level is oldiso
|| [[#t16:12:57|16:12]]
|- id="t16:13:02"
! style="background-color: #854685" | adamw
| style="color: #854685" | yayness
|| [[#t16:13:02|16:13]]
|- id="t16:13:04"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #link http://serverbeach1.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/deltaisos/
|| [[#t16:13:04|16:13]]
|- id="t16:13:14"
! style="background-color: #854685" | adamw
| style="color: #854685" | we should spread the word
|| [[#t16:13:14|16:13]]
|- id="t16:13:16"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | robatino: do you need any updates to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Delta_ISOs ?
|| [[#t16:13:16|16:13]]
|- id="t16:13:31"
! style="background-color: #488888" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #488888" | what's the difference in Delto iso vs Regular iso ?
|| [[#t16:13:31|16:13]]
|- id="t16:13:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Viking-Ice: analogous to delta-rpm and regular rpm
|| [[#t16:13:44|16:13]]
|- id="t16:13:54"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | kparal
| style="color: #4b904b" | robatino: have you considered also posting torrents into that directory? is it possible to use fedora torrent tracker for that?
|| [[#t16:13:54|16:13]]
|- id="t16:14:03"
! style="background-color: #488888" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #488888" | so we have a smaller iso size?
|| [[#t16:14:03|16:14]]
|- id="t16:14:11"
! style="background-color: #488888" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #488888" | can fit more stuff ?
|| [[#t16:14:11|16:14]]
|- id="t16:14:14"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | robatino
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | jlaska: i'll have to think about it if the server content isn't self-explanatory
|| [[#t16:14:14|16:14]]
|- id="t16:14:17"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Viking-Ice: yeah ... so testers with limited bandwidth can participate in TC and RC testing
|| [[#t16:14:17|16:14]]
|- id="t16:14:21"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | robatino: okay
|| [[#t16:14:21|16:14]]
|- id="t16:14:33"
! style="background-color: #488888" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #488888" | Ok
|| [[#t16:14:33|16:14]]
|- id="t16:14:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Viking-Ice: no ... not so we can fit more stuff ... this is so you don't need to download the entire DVD after you already downloaded TC1 DVD.iso
|| [[#t16:14:44|16:14]]
|- id="t16:15:01"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Viking-Ice: hopefully [[Delta_ISOs]] provides more detail
|| [[#t16:15:01|16:15]]
|- id="t16:15:10"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | robatino
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | kparal: i really hated using torrents for this since it's partly for people with limited bandwidth
|| [[#t16:15:10|16:15]]
|- id="t16:15:17"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: "get the word out" ... what'd you have in mind?
|| [[#t16:15:17|16:15]]
|- id="t16:15:22"
! style="background-color: #854685" | adamw
| style="color: #854685" | blogs
|| [[#t16:15:22|16:15]]
|- id="t16:15:41"
! style="background-color: #854685" | adamw
| style="color: #854685" | nothing special
|| [[#t16:15:41|16:15]]
|- id="t16:15:43"
! style="background-color: #854685" | adamw
| style="color: #854685" | just mention it :)
|| [[#t16:15:43|16:15]]
|- id="t16:15:50"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | right on
|| [[#t16:15:50|16:15]]
|- id="t16:15:59"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | robatino
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | i also have deltas for 12-&gt;13 and 13-&gt;14 which are about half full size
|| [[#t16:15:59|16:15]]
|- id="t16:15:59"
! style="background-color: #488888" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #488888" | and announcement to the test list :)
|| [[#t16:15:59|16:15]]
|- id="t16:16:07"
! style="background-color: #854685" | adamw
| style="color: #854685" | and of course we'll need to update the pre-release announcements, but since robatino usually winds up doing those it shouldn't be a problem =)
|| [[#t16:16:07|16:16]]
|- id="t16:16:12"
! style="background-color: #854685" | adamw
| style="color: #854685" | Viking-Ice: i think it already was
|| [[#t16:16:12|16:16]]
|- id="t16:16:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | test-announce@ certainly a good idea
|| [[#t16:16:13|16:16]]
|- id="t16:16:19"
! style="background-color: #854685" | adamw
| style="color: #854685" | i remember reading a mail about it, anyway
|| [[#t16:16:19|16:16]]
|- id="t16:16:41"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | info is linked from the validation wiki pages iirc
|| [[#t16:16:41|16:16]]
|- id="t16:16:42"
! style="background-color: #854685" | adamw
| style="color: #854685" | oh no
|| [[#t16:16:42|16:16]]
|- id="t16:16:43"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | kparal
| style="color: #4b904b" | robatino: well I noticed some people who got very low speed for fedora servers. but wouldn't mind using torrents
|| [[#t16:16:43|16:16]]
|- id="t16:16:44"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | robatino
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | adamw: i only post deltaiso links on the test matrix pages anyway, and the announcements link to those
|| [[#t16:16:44|16:16]]
|- id="t16:16:45"
! style="background-color: #854685" | adamw
| style="color: #854685" | it was a private email
|| [[#t16:16:45|16:16]]
|- id="t16:17:18"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | certainly worth some visibility on fedora planet ... so feel free to mention it if you aggregate your blog there
|| [[#t16:17:18|16:17]]
|- id="t16:17:26"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | (myself included in that request)
|| [[#t16:17:26|16:17]]
|- id="t16:17:39"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | anything else from last week?
|| [[#t16:17:39|16:17]]
|- id="t16:18:00"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | if not ... moving on ...
|| [[#t16:18:00|16:18]]
|- id="t16:18:04"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Upcoming QA events
|| [[#t16:18:04|16:18]]
|- id="t16:18:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info Tuesday, March 08 - l10n Desktop Test Day
|| [[#t16:18:13|16:18]]
|- id="t16:18:21"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-03-08_L10n_Desktop
|| [[#t16:18:21|16:18]]
|- id="t16:18:48"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | the announcement just hit test-announce -- http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test-announce/2011-March/000202.html
|| [[#t16:18:48|16:18]]
|- id="t16:19:11"
! style="background-color: #854685" | adamw
| style="color: #854685" | this is looking good except for the test case link
|| [[#t16:19:11|16:19]]
|- id="t16:19:21"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | unlike the previous two events that focused on the installer and the desktop environment ... this is intended to target desktop apps
|| [[#t16:19:21|16:19]]
|- id="t16:19:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: suggestions?
|| [[#t16:19:29|16:19]]
|- id="t16:19:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | heh, that is weird :)
|| [[#t16:19:44|16:19]]
|- id="t16:20:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: perhaps should link to a wiki page that uses the standard {{Template:QA/Test_Case}} ?
|| [[#t16:20:11|16:20]]
|- id="t16:20:58"
! style="background-color: #854685" | adamw
| style="color: #854685" | i'm not sure what it's meant to be doing :)
|| [[#t16:20:58|16:20]]
|- id="t16:21:41"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Well ... let's start that discussion at https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/158
|| [[#t16:21:41|16:21]]
|- id="t16:21:59"
! style="background-color: #854685" | adamw
| style="color: #854685" | okay
|| [[#t16:21:59|16:21]]
|- id="t16:22:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info adamw noted that the test case link doesn't point to a valid test case template (e.g. QA:TestCase_foo_bar_baz)
|| [[#t16:22:13|16:22]]
|- id="t16:22:39"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | rhe: has been helping coordinate, so she may be able to run with any ideas/suggestions you have
|| [[#t16:22:39|16:22]]
|- id="t16:23:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | okay ... next up ...
|| [[#t16:23:13|16:23]]
|- id="t16:23:17"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info Thursday, March 10 - Gnome3 Pre-Beta Test Day
|| [[#t16:23:17|16:23]]
|- id="t16:23:23"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-03-10_GNOME3_Beta
|| [[#t16:23:23|16:23]]
|- id="t16:23:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | vhumpa and rlat have been investing some prep time in the second GNOME shell test day
|| [[#t16:23:52|16:23]]
|- id="t16:24:08"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | vhumpa: any updates, how are things looking for you?
|| [[#t16:24:08|16:24]]
|- id="t16:24:15"
! style="background-color: #854685" | adamw
| style="color: #854685" | nice job guys
|| [[#t16:24:15|16:24]]
|- id="t16:24:16"
! style="background-color: #818144" | vhumpa
| style="color: #818144" | adamw: I finished implementing your notes from Friday just a little while ago
|| [[#t16:24:16|16:24]]
|- id="t16:24:36"
| colspan="2" | * jlaska sees two shiny test matrices!
|| [[#t16:24:36|16:24]]
|- id="t16:24:41"
! style="background-color: #818144" | vhumpa
| style="color: #818144" | Hope all is moreorless ready now
|| [[#t16:24:41|16:24]]
|- id="t16:24:49"
! style="background-color: #854685" | adamw
| style="color: #854685" | vhumpa: cool
|| [[#t16:24:49|16:24]]
|- id="t16:25:08"
! style="background-color: #818144" | vhumpa
| style="color: #818144" | If somebody have a BT phone, please try this https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_gnome-bluetooth_send_file
|| [[#t16:25:08|16:25]]
|- id="t16:25:12"
! style="background-color: #854685" | adamw
| style="color: #854685" | we just need to look at live images, we can probably just link to nightlies this time
|| [[#t16:25:12|16:25]]
|- id="t16:25:27"
! style="background-color: #854685" | adamw
| style="color: #854685" | we only needed custom images last time because of the alpha freeze
|| [[#t16:25:27|16:25]]
|- id="t16:25:44"
! style="background-color: #818144" | vhumpa
| style="color: #818144" | adamw: I agree nighties should be fine
|| [[#t16:25:44|16:25]]
|- id="t16:26:01"
! style="background-color: #818144" | vhumpa
| style="color: #818144" | adamw: I am running the last one right now :)
|| [[#t16:26:01|16:26]]
|- id="t16:26:02"
! style="background-color: #854685" | adamw
| style="color: #854685" | anyone know when the alpha freeze ends, actually?
|| [[#t16:26:02|16:26]]
|- id="t16:26:10"
! style="background-color: #854685" | adamw
| style="color: #854685" | or did it already and i missed it?
|| [[#t16:26:10|16:26]]
|- id="t16:26:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | dgilmore would know
|| [[#t16:26:34|16:26]]
|- id="t16:26:49"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I don't see it on the rel-eng schedule, or am missing it
|| [[#t16:26:49|16:26]]
|- id="t16:26:51"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | brunowolff
| style="color: #4d4d93" | For packages it is over.
|| [[#t16:26:51|16:26]]
|- id="t16:26:58"
! style="background-color: #854685" | adamw
| style="color: #854685" | okay.
|| [[#t16:26:58|16:26]]
|- id="t16:27:01"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | brunowolff: thx
|| [[#t16:27:01|16:27]]
|- id="t16:27:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: so that means tested updates should be landing in the nightlies?
|| [[#t16:27:11|16:27]]
|- id="t16:27:13"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | brunowolff
| style="color: #4d4d93" | Pretty much when Rc2 was certified at the go / no-go meeting.
|| [[#t16:27:13|16:27]]
|- id="t16:27:45"
! style="background-color: #854685" | adamw
| style="color: #854685" | jlaska: yeah, and it looks like they are.
|| [[#t16:27:45|16:27]]
|- id="t16:27:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | excellent
|| [[#t16:27:51|16:27]]
|- id="t16:27:56"
! style="background-color: #854685" | adamw
| style="color: #854685" | so we should be good.
|| [[#t16:27:56|16:27]]
|- id="t16:28:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | vhumpa: we have several folks who can host live images if for some reason we need them
|| [[#t16:28:07|16:28]]
|- id="t16:28:15"
! style="background-color: #818144" | vhumpa
| style="color: #818144" | Is the alpha freeze a reason why I was getting no new updates for F15 last couple of days?
|| [[#t16:28:15|16:28]]
|- id="t16:29:01"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | brunowolff
| style="color: #4d4d93" | There isn't really an updates repo. Just updates-testing and branched.
|| [[#t16:29:01|16:29]]
|- id="t16:29:17"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | vhumpa: I believe so ... during the "freeze", the base f15 repo wasn't changed except for approved blockers
|| [[#t16:29:17|16:29]]
|- id="t16:29:49"
! style="background-color: #854685" | adamw
| style="color: #854685" | yeah, though if you had updates-testing enabled, you'd get updates all the way through.
|| [[#t16:29:49|16:29]]
|- id="t16:30:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | vhumpa: rlat: adamw: nice work on the GNOME3 prep ... shout if any assistance is needed
|| [[#t16:30:06|16:30]]
|- id="t16:30:16"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | next up ...
|| [[#t16:30:16|16:30]]
|- id="t16:30:16"
! style="background-color: #818144" | vhumpa
| style="color: #818144" | Okay, just that I wasn't getting anything from updates-testing as well, but I gues the problem is elswhere then
|| [[#t16:30:16|16:30]]
|- id="t16:30:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info Friday, March 11 - F15Beta bug review #1
|| [[#t16:30:27|16:30]]
|- id="t16:30:47"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #link Per the schedule, we'll have our first beta blocker review this Froday - http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-15/f-15-quality-tasks.html
|| [[#t16:30:47|16:30]]
|- id="t16:30:58"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | and for those who like links ...
|| [[#t16:30:58|16:30]]
|- id="t16:31:00"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting
|| [[#t16:31:00|16:31]]
|- id="t16:31:05"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | describes the format of the meeting
|| [[#t16:31:05|16:31]]
|- id="t16:31:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I'll send out an announcement Wednesday
|| [[#t16:31:12|16:31]]
|- id="t16:31:19"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | last update ...
|| [[#t16:31:19|16:31]]
|- id="t16:31:21"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info Thursday, March 17 - Preupgrade Test Day
|| [[#t16:31:21|16:31]]
|- id="t16:31:26"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-03-17_Preupgrade
|| [[#t16:31:26|16:31]]
|- id="t16:31:36"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Once again, Hurry is initiating this event
|| [[#t16:31:36|16:31]]
|- id="t16:32:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | we have a bug outstanding against preupgrade where it needs to accomodate the installer install.img change in F15.  A patch is available, and we'll just need to get an updated preupgrade from hughsie that we can point testers to
|| [[#t16:32:09|16:32]]
|- id="t16:32:40"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | with that in hand, we should be able to make some good traction on preupgrade testing ... since it currently doesn't function against F15
|| [[#t16:32:40|16:32]]
|- id="t16:32:55"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | alright ... if nothing else, I'll go to open-discussion
|| [[#t16:32:55|16:32]]
|- id="t16:33:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info Need updated preupgrade that works without 'images/install.img' to test with F13 and F14
|| [[#t16:33:34|16:33]]
|- id="t16:33:38"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Open discussion - &lt;Your topic here&gt;
|| [[#t16:33:38|16:33]]
|- id="t16:33:47"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | okay folks ... those are all the topics I had
|| [[#t16:33:47|16:33]]
|- id="t16:33:58"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | anything else not already discussed?
|| [[#t16:33:58|16:33]]
|- id="t16:34:00"
! style="background-color: #818144" | vhumpa
| style="color: #818144" | jlaska: about the image hosting: do you think that will be needed for bandwidh reasons, if we decide to go with night build?
|| [[#t16:34:00|16:34]]
|- id="t16:35:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | vhumpa: to my knowledge, the size of the test day (or nightly) live image is acceptable for participants
|| [[#t16:35:11|16:35]]
|- id="t16:35:43"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | at least, I haven't seen a lot of complaints about downloading a single ISO for a test day (&lt; 700 Mib)
|| [[#t16:35:43|16:35]]
|- id="t16:36:21"
! style="background-color: #818144" | vhumpa
| style="color: #818144" | I mean I was just wondering whether the normal server can handle the downloads by the testers
|| [[#t16:36:21|16:36]]
|- id="t16:36:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | vhumpa: oh oh, I see.  I believe so, but if we encounter problems, let's raise that with the experts in #fedora-admin for assistance
|| [[#t16:36:51|16:36]]
|- id="t16:37:29"
! style="background-color: #818144" | vhumpa
| style="color: #818144" | jlaska: okay, perhaps we can quickly establish a mirror if that will happen
|| [[#t16:37:29|16:37]]
|- id="t16:37:49"
! style="background-color: #818144" | vhumpa
| style="color: #818144" | I'll try to be monitoring the sit
|| [[#t16:37:49|16:37]]
|- id="t16:37:54"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | vhumpa: okay
|| [[#t16:37:54|16:37]]
|- id="t16:38:21"
! style="background-color: #818144" | vhumpa
| style="color: #818144" | jlaska: Let's hope we need a mirror ;-)
|| [[#t16:38:21|16:38]]
|- id="t16:38:22"
! style="background-color: #854685" | adamw
| style="color: #854685" | i think they're ultimately pretty much the same thing (alt vs. fedorapeople)
|| [[#t16:38:22|16:38]]
|- id="t16:39:09"
! style="background-color: #818144" | vhumpa
| style="color: #818144" | Okay, this should be all from me
|| [[#t16:39:09|16:39]]
|- id="t16:39:23"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: I started documenting the installer related CommonBugs ... I should have the remaining installer issues knocked out shortly.  If you have time, I could use help with the X/kernel issues
|| [[#t16:39:23|16:39]]
|- id="t16:39:42"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | brunowolff
| style="color: #4d4d93" | I did a download this morning from I2 and was getting around 10MB/s. So I think downloads should be reasonable
|| [[#t16:39:42|16:39]]
|- id="t16:39:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | vhumpa: agreed, hopefully we won't hit any download issues :)
|| [[#t16:39:44|16:39]]
|- id="t16:39:57"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | brunowolff
| style="color: #4d4d93" | with a dozen or so going on at once.
|| [[#t16:39:57|16:39]]
|- id="t16:40:04"
! style="background-color: #854685" | adamw
| style="color: #854685" | jlaska: yeah, i'll get on it
|| [[#t16:40:04|16:40]]
|- id="t16:40:41"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: your fingers are faster than mine, but I'm working my way down the list (starting with anaconda) so hopefully we can meet in the middle
|| [[#t16:40:41|16:40]]
|- id="t16:40:48"
! style="background-color: #854685" | adamw
| style="color: #854685" | sure
|| [[#t16:40:48|16:40]]
|- id="t16:40:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | brunowolff: that's not too bad at all
|| [[#t16:40:51|16:40]]
|- id="t16:40:58"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | any other topics to cover today?
|| [[#t16:40:58|16:40]]
|- id="t16:41:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info jlaska and adamw discussed documenting the outstanding bugs requesting CommonBugs documentation.  The process is detailed at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F15_bugs#My_bug_is_not_listed
|| [[#t16:41:33|16:41]]
|- id="t16:42:21"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info vhumpa asked about alt.fedoraproject.org download speeds for live images.  brunowolff noted the speeds should be okay and jlaska reminded to raise any issues with #fedora-admin for guidance
|| [[#t16:42:21|16:42]]
|- id="t16:42:36"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | alright ... setting the fuse at 1 minute until #endmeeting
|| [[#t16:42:36|16:42]]
|- id="t16:43:05"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | btw ... we said it last week during the go/no_go ... but once again, THANK YOU to our testers for yet another Fedora milestone
|| [[#t16:43:05|16:43]]
|- id="t16:43:39"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | wiki results, bug reports and discussion on the mailing list all contribute to identifying potential blocker bugs and understanding whether we meet the release criteria
|| [[#t16:43:39|16:43]]
|- id="t16:43:46"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | so thank you to all who participated and help get it out the door
|| [[#t16:43:46|16:43]]
|- id="t16:44:08"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | brunowolff
| style="color: #4d4d93" | This one was a tough one too, with the mass rebuild happening so close to freeze.
|| [[#t16:44:08|16:44]]
|- id="t16:44:14"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | excactly
|| [[#t16:44:14|16:44]]
|- id="t16:44:18"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | exactly (even)
|| [[#t16:44:18|16:44]]
|- id="t16:44:26"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | so much change (rebuild, branch)
|| [[#t16:44:26|16:44]]
|- id="t16:44:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | okay gang ... I'm calling end of meeting
|| [[#t16:44:37|16:44]]
|- id="t16:44:41"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | thanks for your attendance and time
|| [[#t16:44:41|16:44]]
|- id="t16:44:45"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I'll send minutes to the list
|| [[#t16:44:45|16:44]]
|- id="t16:45:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | As always, feel free to follow-up on the list with any topics you weren't able to raise during the meeting
|| [[#t16:45:07|16:45]]
|- id="t16:45:10"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #endmeeting
|| [[#t16:45:10|16:45]]
|}
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Attendees

People present (lines said)

  1. jlaska (116)
  2. adamw (28)
  3. vhumpa (15)
  4. Viking-Ice (13)
  5. brunowolff (7)
  6. robatino (6)
  7. kparal (4)
  8. tflink (1)
  9. jskladan_afk (1)


Unable to attend:

  1. Rhe (hopefully sleeping)
  2. Hongqing (hopefully sleeping)
  3. Twu (hopefully sleeping)

Agenda

Previous meeting follow-up

  1. Viking-Ice - solicit feedback on test@lists.fedoraproject.org to see whether we need to require only bugzilla.redhat.com use during test days
    • Filed bugzilla RFE RHBZ #679898. Viking-Ice also noted he might discuss this RFE upstream
  2. jlaska - review blocker bug meeting SOP and add include bug summary by way of #info for each bug
  3. robatino+jlaska - infrastructure hosting of delta ISO images

Upcoming QA events

Tuesday, March 08 - l10n Desktop Test Day

Thursday, March 10 - Gnome3 Pre-Beta Test Day

Friday, March 11 - F15Beta bug review #1

Thursday, March 17 - Preupgrade Test Day

Open discussion - <Your topic here>

  1. jlaska and adamw discussed documenting the outstanding bugs requesting CommonBugs documentation. The process is detailed at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F15_bugs#My_bug_is_not_listed
  2. vhumpa asked about alt.fedoraproject.org download speeds for live images. brunowolff noted the speeds should be okay and jlaska reminded to raise any issues with #fedora-admin for guidance


Action items

IRC Transcript

jlaska #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting 16:00
zodbot Meeting started Mon Mar 7 16:00:03 2011 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00
zodbot Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:00
jlaska #meetingname fedora-qa 16:00
zodbot The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' 16:00
jlaska #topic Roll Call 16:00
vhumpa Hia! 16:00
jlaska Hi folks ... anyone lurking for the QA meeting today? 16:00
* brunowolff is here. 16:00
* kparal again alive 16:00
* vhumpa is here 16:00
* jskladan_afk tips his hat 16:00
jlaska kparal lives! 16:00
* tflink is here 16:00
jlaska howdy brunowolff vhumpa jskladan tflink  :) 16:00
* Viking-Ice here 16:01
jlaska hey hey Viking-Ice 16:01
* jlaska waits another minute before getting started 16:01
adamw yo 16:02
jlaska a minute on the nose! 16:02
jlaska adamw: greetings 16:02
* adamw should really set his alarm for 7:54 16:03
jlaska alright, we have a light agenda today ... so let's dive in 16:03
jlaska #info Proposed Agenda - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-March/097566.html 16:03
jlaska #topic Previous meeting follow-up 16:03
jlaska #info Viking-Ice - solicit feedback on test@lists.fedoraproject.org to see whether we need to require only bugzilla.redhat.com use during test days 16:03
jlaska Viking-Ice: any updates you want to highlight? 16:04
jlaska okay ... I'll note if any updates come up 16:05
jlaska otherwise, I propose moving this off the follow-up list ... I can certainly add it back when needed 16:05
Viking-Ice still waiting for feed back on the bugzilla RFE I filed 16:06
jlaska got a link? 16:06
Viking-Ice maybe I should move that to upstream mozilla 16:06
jlaska yes! 16:06
jlaska I believe it's a sizable feature request 16:06
Viking-Ice bug 679898 16:07
Viking-Ice if that gets implemented it would solve that problem along with others as well ( from maintainers perspective ) 16:07
jlaska #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=679898 16:07
Viking-Ice and we could always use our bugzilla instance to report against 16:08
jlaska sure ... we'll monitor that request 16:08
Viking-Ice I have been expecting anykind of feed back from the red hat bugzilla team on that RFE 16:08
jlaska I'm not surprised our current bz maintainer has not responded yet 16:09
jlaska he's new and coming up to speed with maint ... and this is definitely a big RFE :) 16:09
jlaska Your instinct about moving upstream is appropriate 16:10
jlaska okay ... we'll stay tuned for any updates 16:10
jlaska #info jlaska - review blocker bug meeting SOP and add include bug summary by way of #info for each bug 16:10
Viking-Ice Ok will do 16:10
jlaska nothing earth shattering here, just a minor wiki update 16:10
jlaska #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting 16:10
jlaska I'll try to follow this and use #info tags during this Fridays blocker meeting 16:11
jlaska I'm lazy, and wish that meetbot/zodbot/*bot could automatically do this ... but haven't had time to look at the bot code 16:11
jlaska so ... exercise for anyone who likes bots 16:11
jlaska #info robatino+jlaska - infrastructure hosting of delta ISO images 16:11
jlaska robatino and nb get the credit for this ... it seems the issue has been resolved 16:12
* kparal starts fireworks 16:12
jlaska iirc, robatino now has the space needed to publish the TC and RC delta ISOs for testers 16:12
robatino hosted now at http://serverbeach1.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/deltaisos/ - comments for organization welcome 16:12
robatino right now the top-level directory is newiso, the next level is oldiso 16:12
adamw yayness 16:13
jlaska #link http://serverbeach1.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/deltaisos/ 16:13
adamw we should spread the word 16:13
jlaska robatino: do you need any updates to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Delta_ISOs ? 16:13
Viking-Ice what's the difference in Delto iso vs Regular iso ? 16:13
jlaska Viking-Ice: analogous to delta-rpm and regular rpm 16:13
kparal robatino: have you considered also posting torrents into that directory? is it possible to use fedora torrent tracker for that? 16:13
Viking-Ice so we have a smaller iso size? 16:14
Viking-Ice can fit more stuff ? 16:14
robatino jlaska: i'll have to think about it if the server content isn't self-explanatory 16:14
jlaska Viking-Ice: yeah ... so testers with limited bandwidth can participate in TC and RC testing 16:14
jlaska robatino: okay 16:14
Viking-Ice Ok 16:14
jlaska Viking-Ice: no ... not so we can fit more stuff ... this is so you don't need to download the entire DVD after you already downloaded TC1 DVD.iso 16:14
jlaska Viking-Ice: hopefully Delta_ISOs provides more detail 16:15
robatino kparal: i really hated using torrents for this since it's partly for people with limited bandwidth 16:15
jlaska adamw: "get the word out" ... what'd you have in mind? 16:15
adamw blogs 16:15
adamw nothing special 16:15
adamw just mention it :) 16:15
jlaska right on 16:15
robatino i also have deltas for 12->13 and 13->14 which are about half full size 16:15
Viking-Ice and announcement to the test list :) 16:15
adamw and of course we'll need to update the pre-release announcements, but since robatino usually winds up doing those it shouldn't be a problem =) 16:16
adamw Viking-Ice: i think it already was 16:16
jlaska test-announce@ certainly a good idea 16:16
adamw i remember reading a mail about it, anyway 16:16
jlaska info is linked from the validation wiki pages iirc 16:16
adamw oh no 16:16
kparal robatino: well I noticed some people who got very low speed for fedora servers. but wouldn't mind using torrents 16:16
robatino adamw: i only post deltaiso links on the test matrix pages anyway, and the announcements link to those 16:16
adamw it was a private email 16:16
jlaska certainly worth some visibility on fedora planet ... so feel free to mention it if you aggregate your blog there 16:17
jlaska (myself included in that request) 16:17
jlaska anything else from last week? 16:17
jlaska if not ... moving on ... 16:18
jlaska #topic Upcoming QA events 16:18
jlaska #info Tuesday, March 08 - l10n Desktop Test Day 16:18
jlaska #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-03-08_L10n_Desktop 16:18
jlaska the announcement just hit test-announce -- http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test-announce/2011-March/000202.html 16:18
adamw this is looking good except for the test case link 16:19
jlaska unlike the previous two events that focused on the installer and the desktop environment ... this is intended to target desktop apps 16:19
jlaska adamw: suggestions? 16:19
jlaska heh, that is weird :) 16:19
jlaska adamw: perhaps should link to a wiki page that uses the standard

Description

A brief description of the functionality being tested.


How to test

  1. Start here ...
  2. Next do this ...
  3. Finally click that

Expected Results

  1. Step #1 completes without error
  2. The system boots into runlevel 5
  3. Program completes with exit code 0


?
16:20
adamw i'm not sure what it's meant to be doing :) 16:20
jlaska Well ... let's start that discussion at https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/158 16:21
adamw okay 16:21
jlaska #info adamw noted that the test case link doesn't point to a valid test case template (e.g. QA:TestCase_foo_bar_baz) 16:22
jlaska rhe: has been helping coordinate, so she may be able to run with any ideas/suggestions you have 16:22
jlaska okay ... next up ... 16:23
jlaska #info Thursday, March 10 - Gnome3 Pre-Beta Test Day 16:23
jlaska #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-03-10_GNOME3_Beta 16:23
jlaska vhumpa and rlat have been investing some prep time in the second GNOME shell test day 16:23
jlaska vhumpa: any updates, how are things looking for you? 16:24
adamw nice job guys 16:24
vhumpa adamw: I finished implementing your notes from Friday just a little while ago 16:24
* jlaska sees two shiny test matrices! 16:24
vhumpa Hope all is moreorless ready now 16:24
adamw vhumpa: cool 16:24
vhumpa If somebody have a BT phone, please try this https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_gnome-bluetooth_send_file 16:25
adamw we just need to look at live images, we can probably just link to nightlies this time 16:25
adamw we only needed custom images last time because of the alpha freeze 16:25
vhumpa adamw: I agree nighties should be fine 16:25
vhumpa adamw: I am running the last one right now :) 16:26
adamw anyone know when the alpha freeze ends, actually? 16:26
adamw or did it already and i missed it? 16:26
jlaska dgilmore would know 16:26
jlaska I don't see it on the rel-eng schedule, or am missing it 16:26
brunowolff For packages it is over. 16:26
adamw okay. 16:26
jlaska brunowolff: thx 16:27
jlaska adamw: so that means tested updates should be landing in the nightlies? 16:27
brunowolff Pretty much when Rc2 was certified at the go / no-go meeting. 16:27
adamw jlaska: yeah, and it looks like they are. 16:27
jlaska excellent 16:27
adamw so we should be good. 16:27
jlaska vhumpa: we have several folks who can host live images if for some reason we need them 16:28
vhumpa Is the alpha freeze a reason why I was getting no new updates for F15 last couple of days? 16:28
brunowolff There isn't really an updates repo. Just updates-testing and branched. 16:29
jlaska vhumpa: I believe so ... during the "freeze", the base f15 repo wasn't changed except for approved blockers 16:29
adamw yeah, though if you had updates-testing enabled, you'd get updates all the way through. 16:29
jlaska vhumpa: rlat: adamw: nice work on the GNOME3 prep ... shout if any assistance is needed 16:30
jlaska next up ... 16:30
vhumpa Okay, just that I wasn't getting anything from updates-testing as well, but I gues the problem is elswhere then 16:30
jlaska #info Friday, March 11 - F15Beta bug review #1 16:30
jlaska #link Per the schedule, we'll have our first beta blocker review this Froday - http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-15/f-15-quality-tasks.html 16:30
jlaska and for those who like links ... 16:30
jlaska #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting 16:31
jlaska describes the format of the meeting 16:31
jlaska I'll send out an announcement Wednesday 16:31
jlaska last update ... 16:31
jlaska #info Thursday, March 17 - Preupgrade Test Day 16:31
jlaska #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-03-17_Preupgrade 16:31
jlaska Once again, Hurry is initiating this event 16:31
jlaska we have a bug outstanding against preupgrade where it needs to accomodate the installer install.img change in F15. A patch is available, and we'll just need to get an updated preupgrade from hughsie that we can point testers to 16:32
jlaska with that in hand, we should be able to make some good traction on preupgrade testing ... since it currently doesn't function against F15 16:32
jlaska alright ... if nothing else, I'll go to open-discussion 16:32
jlaska #info Need updated preupgrade that works without 'images/install.img' to test with F13 and F14 16:33
jlaska #topic Open discussion - <Your topic here> 16:33
jlaska okay folks ... those are all the topics I had 16:33
jlaska anything else not already discussed? 16:33
vhumpa jlaska: about the image hosting: do you think that will be needed for bandwidh reasons, if we decide to go with night build? 16:34
jlaska vhumpa: to my knowledge, the size of the test day (or nightly) live image is acceptable for participants 16:35
jlaska at least, I haven't seen a lot of complaints about downloading a single ISO for a test day (< 700 Mib) 16:35
vhumpa I mean I was just wondering whether the normal server can handle the downloads by the testers 16:36
jlaska vhumpa: oh oh, I see. I believe so, but if we encounter problems, let's raise that with the experts in #fedora-admin for assistance 16:36
vhumpa jlaska: okay, perhaps we can quickly establish a mirror if that will happen 16:37
vhumpa I'll try to be monitoring the sit 16:37
jlaska vhumpa: okay 16:37
vhumpa jlaska: Let's hope we need a mirror ;-) 16:38
adamw i think they're ultimately pretty much the same thing (alt vs. fedorapeople) 16:38
vhumpa Okay, this should be all from me 16:39
jlaska adamw: I started documenting the installer related CommonBugs ... I should have the remaining installer issues knocked out shortly. If you have time, I could use help with the X/kernel issues 16:39
brunowolff I did a download this morning from I2 and was getting around 10MB/s. So I think downloads should be reasonable 16:39
jlaska vhumpa: agreed, hopefully we won't hit any download issues :) 16:39
brunowolff with a dozen or so going on at once. 16:39
adamw jlaska: yeah, i'll get on it 16:40
jlaska adamw: your fingers are faster than mine, but I'm working my way down the list (starting with anaconda) so hopefully we can meet in the middle 16:40
adamw sure 16:40
jlaska brunowolff: that's not too bad at all 16:40
jlaska any other topics to cover today? 16:40
jlaska #info jlaska and adamw discussed documenting the outstanding bugs requesting CommonBugs documentation. The process is detailed at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F15_bugs#My_bug_is_not_listed 16:41
jlaska #info vhumpa asked about alt.fedoraproject.org download speeds for live images. brunowolff noted the speeds should be okay and jlaska reminded to raise any issues with #fedora-admin for guidance 16:42
jlaska alright ... setting the fuse at 1 minute until #endmeeting 16:42
jlaska btw ... we said it last week during the go/no_go ... but once again, THANK YOU to our testers for yet another Fedora milestone 16:43
jlaska wiki results, bug reports and discussion on the mailing list all contribute to identifying potential blocker bugs and understanding whether we meet the release criteria 16:43
jlaska so thank you to all who participated and help get it out the door 16:43
brunowolff This one was a tough one too, with the mass rebuild happening so close to freeze. 16:44
jlaska excactly 16:44
jlaska exactly (even) 16:44
jlaska so much change (rebuild, branch) 16:44
jlaska okay gang ... I'm calling end of meeting 16:44
jlaska thanks for your attendance and time 16:44
jlaska I'll send minutes to the list 16:44
jlaska As always, feel free to follow-up on the list with any topics you weren't able to raise during the meeting 16:45
jlaska #endmeeting 16:45

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