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Final Elvis Move

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A while ago we did a first round of moves -- see ElvisMove . This is the second and final round.


File:L10N FedoraModulesMove Elvis presley.jpg

We see a general consensus that the Fedora-specific services hosted on the elvis (CVS of Fedora-as-upstream packages, L10N), should be moved over to Fedora infrastructure. This allows us to better maintain them, hook them up with the Fedora Account System, increase their functionality, and lower the barrier for contributions to packages hosted there. Also, in addition to CVS, we can host projects on various SCMs like SVN, Mercurial, git, or bzr.

See below for a list of the modules to be moved.

This is an opt-out process: If you want your module *not* to be moved and/or not to receive translations through Transifex , please mark it clearly on the table.

Why migrate?

  • The Fedora Project has an explicit goal of moving all software development related activities externally of Red Hat. The code contained on is not community accessible. CVS access to the project source is only available to Red Hat employees. In order to expose this source to the community for direct contribution along with the rest of distribution source. Moving the translation is a requirement of Fedora engineering. They will not run their project with PO files contained in a different CVS requiring a synchronization.
  • Fedora Documentation requires PO files to be on the same CVS. The project has experienced with previous releases and manually moving/syncing PO/POT files across SCMs and cannot continue in this practice, for the same reasons as the source code. In addition, dozens of translators have sought and obtained 'cvsdocs' access so they can translate directly in the Fedora SCM; Fedora Documentation wants to deliver a cleaner experience with ACLs directly for the po/ directory in each document and the Web UI hooks.
  • The Fedora Account System (FAS) has the mandate to provide authentication for all Fedora infrastructure. By merging users into FAS, the L10N community gains exponential benefits. The number of accounts in the FAS is likely to double, which is a great boon to the Fedora Project.
  • Clear accountability for L10N infrastructure. Over the years, it has become increasingly difficult to find out who exactly is running and how to get changes made there. Red Hat has not exposed an external resource to handle that, beyond basic l10n needs. Fedora Infrastructure is a professionally run organization of volunteers who have revitalized Fedora systems over the last nine months, and have proven their ability to handle the complexity.
  • Standardized systems help Fedora grow. The current L10N CVS and Web UI are outside of the system, understanding, processes, and methodologies of the rest of Fedora infrastructure. There are many benefits to be gained for the community and the project by bringing these systems in.
  • Integrating a L10N system with FAS brings it one step closer to Translators can use the same account for all projects hosted there, even if it requires them to use a different SCM.

Project plan (detailed)


  • 31/1 Thu: DimitrisGlezos finalized the list of modules to be moved.
  • 8/2 Fri: Send another personal email to maintainers that haven't filled in the information needed. And a third one on in the week.
  • 18/2 Mon: Infra will copy the requested modules to the new SCMs.
  • The team will be available on its mailing list and on #fedora-admin to help with anything needed.
  • DimitrisGlezos will update Transifex to include these modules. All modules should have the "transif" user added to their group.
  • Other L10n admins will update translate.fpo statistics with the move.
  • 19/2 Tue: AnkitPatel will delete modules from elvis and add some README files that explain where the modules have been moved.
  • DimitrisGlezos will send status report on -devel and -trans lists.


  • Projects hosted on can receive translations directly. Others will use Transifex (already in production) for the translation submissions. Again, access to Transifex will be given by default, if you don't want to accept translations, please note it.
  • The Fedora Localization Project will drop support for projects hosted on non-Fedora servers. References to elvis will be removed shortly after the move. Projects deciding to stay on elvis can still receive translations through Transifex, just like any other independent upstream project.

Specific resources needed

  • Setup of new modules on a variety of SCMs (expected modules moving: 25).
  • Most developers are expected to use SVN or git.
  • Some projects might request Trac.

Projects to be moved (#projects)

Note on Trac: You can enable/disable plugins in Trac, including the Ticketing system if you want to stick with BZ for your project.
authconfig Tomas Mraz (tmraz) hg yes
chkconfig Bill Nottingham (notting) git no
initscripts Bill Nottingham (notting) git no
kexec-tools Neil Horman (nhorman) Needs addition to translation stats
libuser Miloslav Trmac (mitr) hg yes
libvirt Daniel Veillard (veillard) cvs
Linux-PAM Tomas Mraz (tmraz) hg yes rename to pam-po as this will contain only pot+po files for translations, real upstream is elsewhere
mailcap Miroslav Lichvar (mlichvar) git no
newt Miroslav Lichvar (mlichvar) git yes
oddjob Nalin Somabhai Dahyabhai (nalin) git no
pam-redhat Tomas Mraz (tmraz) hg yes Conversion Failed - mmcgrath
pam_krb5 Nalin Somabhai Dahyabhai (nalin) git no
password Tomas Mraz (tmraz) hg yes rename to passwd
pkinit-nss Nalin Somabhai Dahyabhai (nalin) git no
policycoreutils Daniel J Walsh (dwalsh)
redhat-backgrounds Needs addition to translation stats
redhat-config-boot Harald Hoyer (harald) git Convert to git failed - mmcgrath
redhat-config-cluster Jim Parsons (jparsons) Needs addition to translation stats
redhat-config-keyboard Lubomir Kundrak (lkundrak)
redhat-config-language Lingning Zhang (lizhang)
redhat-config-mouse (may be dead) Needs addition to translation stats
redhat-config-securitylevel Thomas Woerner (twoerner) git no rename to system-config-securitylevel
redhat-config-soundcard Martin Stransky (stransky)
redhat-menus Ray Strode (rstrode)
rhgb Ray Strode (rstrode) git no
setuptool Nalin Somabhai Dahyabhai (nalin) git no
specspo Stepan Kasal (kasal) cvs no
splatbind Nalin Somabhai Dahyabhai (nalin) git no
switchdesk Than Ngo (than) cvs
Ondrej Dvoracek (odvorace)
system-config-firewall Thomas Woerner (twoerner) git yes
system-config-kdump David Lehman (dlehman) Needs addition to translation stats
system-config-lvm Jim Parsons (jparsons)
system-switch-mail Than Ngo (than) cvs
tmpwatch Miloslav Trmac (mitr) hg yes
usermode Miloslav Trmac (mitr) hg yes

See below for VCS roots, web front-end URLs, etc.

Infra: See also TranslationRepositories.

Other projects info

Not be moved because they already exist on fedorahosted

The following should be probably deleted from elvis, if the development process is now being done on FH. Make sure any commits (eg. translations) done on elvis and not on the new servers are copied before deletion.

  • compspo
  • redhat-config-date
  • redhat-config-netboot (OK for deletion from owner)
  • system-config-bind (OK for deletion from owner)
  • redhat-config-network
  • redhat-config-rootpassword
  • setroubleshoot
  • timeconfig (no PO files)

Not be moved because we aren't sure they should. They are related to RHN. Please move to above table if they should be moved as well.

  • up2date
  • yum-rhn-plugin
  • rhn-applet
  • rhn-client-tools
  • rhn_register
  • rhnsd

Not to be moved because they are dead

  • autorun
  • bindconf
  • kbdconfig
  • kudzu
  • printconf
  • redhat-artwork (dead, been split into lots of other packages already on hosted)
  • redhat-config-packages
  • rhmask
  • serviceconf
  • system-logviewer

Target systems





Move progress/TODO (#progress)

(to be filled mainly during the move)

authconfig hgauthconfig only one file in repo, looks weird.
chkconfig N/A gitchkconfig
initscripts N/A gitinitscripts
kexec-tools N/A cvskexec-tools
libuser hglibuser
libvirt N/A cvslibvirt
Linux-PAM hgpam-po
mailcap N/A N/A gitmailcap
newt gitnewt
oddjob N/A N/A gitoddjob
pam-redhat N/A hgpam-redhat
pam_krb5 N/A N/A gitpam_krb5
password hgpasswd renamed to passwd
pkinit-nss N/A gitpkinit-nss
policycoreutils N/A cvspolicycoreutils
redhat-backgrounds N/A cvsredhat-backgrounds
redhat-config-boot N/A gitredhat-config-boot seems OK now
redhat-config-cluster N/A cvsredhat-config-cluster
redhat-config-keyboard N/A cvsredhat-config-keyboard
redhat-config-language N/A cvsredhat-config-language
redhat-config-mouse N/A WHO OWNS THIS?!?!
redhat-config-securitylevel N/A gitsystem-config-securitylevel
redhat-config-soundcard N/A cvsredhat-config-soundcard
redhat-menus N/A cvsredhat-menus
rhgb gitrhgb
setuptool gitsetuptool
sos svnsos Strange directory layout for POs
specspo N/A cvsspecspo
splatbind N/A gitsplatbind
switchdesk N/A cvsswitchdesk
system-config-bind hgsystem-config-bind
system-config-firewall gitsystem-config-firewall
system-config-kdump N/A cvssystem-config-kdump
system-config-lvm N/A cvssystem-config-lvm
system-switch-mail N/A cvssystem-switch-mail
tmpwatch N/A hgtmpwatch
usermode hgusermode