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Fedora I18N Meeting 2009-02-17
- 2009-02-17 0500 UTC on #fedora-meeting at Freenode
Agenda
Ongoing:
- Features/IBus -- HuangPeng
- Fonts repackaging: bug F11-new-font-rules
New items:
- fontconfig issues in rawhide and F10
- Unicode 5.1 support for indic - RahulBhalerao
- firefox indic locales smoke tests -RahulBhalerao
- Open floor
- Next meeting
Log
| juhp | hello | Feb 17 15:00 |
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| dychen_ | hi | Feb 17 15:01 |
| juhp | welcome to the fedora-i18n meeting today | Feb 17 15:01 |
| pravins | hi | Feb 17 15:01 |
| rahulb | hi everyone | Feb 17 15:01 |
| tagoh3 | hi | Feb 17 15:01 |
| juhp | I18N/Meetings | Feb 17 15:02 |
| *juhp added an item on fontconfig | Feb 17 15:02 | |
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| juhp | ok let's get started | Feb 17 15:04 |
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| phuang_ | hi | Feb 17 15:05 |
| juhp | so just a few ongoing items first | Feb 17 15:05 |
| K410 | hi | Feb 17 15:05 |
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| juhp | * ibus | Feb 17 15:05 |
| juhp | ibus seems to be working ok now in rawhide | Feb 17 15:05 |
| phuang_ | yeah. | Feb 17 15:06 |
| juhp | though still some things to improve | Feb 17 15:06 |
| juhp | I filed a couple of bugs this morning | Feb 17 15:06 |
| phuang_ | I saw them. and I am working on them | Feb 17 15:06 |
| phuang_ | I am still consider how to decide which IM should be load by default | Feb 17 15:07 |
| juhp | hmm great time for my bugzilla password to expire... sigh | Feb 17 15:07 |
| juhp | phuang_: ok - the algorithm or implementation? | Feb 17 15:08 |
| juhp | or the list of IMEs? | Feb 17 15:08 |
| dychen_ | juhp: I think phuang_ means the default engine for each locale | Feb 17 15:08 |
| phuang_ | juhp, I don't think hardcode IMEs list is good | Feb 17 15:08 |
| juhp | phuang_: how else to handle langs with multiple choices? | Feb 17 15:09 |
| phuang_ | multiple choices? | Feb 17 15:09 |
| juhp | priorities? | Feb 17 15:09 |
| juhp | s/choices/engines or maps/ | Feb 17 15:10 |
| phuang_ | juhp, btw, if user set some imes by self, and change the locale later, we how to handle this situation | Feb 17 15:10 |
| juhp | like Chinese or Indic | Feb 17 15:10 |
| juhp | phuang_: I would say do nothing | Feb 17 15:10 |
| juhp | though there could be a default mode (ie with no setting) use the default for the locale | Feb 17 15:11 |
| juhp | but once user has set then I think ibus should just follow that choice | Feb 17 15:11 |
| tagoh3 | sounds reasonable | Feb 17 15:12 |
| phuang_ | juhp, another situation: at first a user use ja locale, and then changed to cn locale, what we should do? | Feb 17 15:12 |
| juhp | choosing default engine by priority seems reasonable too - though it requires all the IME to maintain that though | Feb 17 15:12 |
| phuang_ | juhp, and the user not do any setting for ibus | Feb 17 15:13 |
| juhp | phuang_: well I think I answered that - I suggest either keep initial IME or maybe better(?) which to cn default? | Feb 17 15:13 |
| juhp | sorry /which/switch/ | Feb 17 15:14 |
| juhp | I don't think that case is as important though as having a default | Feb 17 15:14 |
| juhp | enabled | Feb 17 15:14 |
| phuang_ | ok | Feb 17 15:15 |
| juhp | typically users would not switch desktop between zh and ja (maybe to/from en might be more common) | Feb 17 15:15 |
| juhp | probably for en, etc don't need a default engine | Feb 17 15:16 |
| phuang_ | yeah, maybe en to cn, or ... | Feb 17 15:16 |
| juhp | right | Feb 17 15:16 |
| juhp | dychen_, K410: how are you guys going with porting the chewing and table engines? | Feb 17 15:16 |
| phuang_ | or cn to en. I think user will want to keep default settings on cn locale | Feb 17 15:17 |
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| juhp | K410: acevery's code is in git? | Feb 17 15:17 |
| juhp | phuang_: right | Feb 17 15:17 |
| dychen_ | juhp: ibus-chewing is working, just need a few polish. | Feb 17 15:17 |
| K410 | just merged acevery's master | Feb 17 15:17 |
| juhp | phuang_: so yeah probably best to keep current choice | Feb 17 15:17 |
| juhp | dychen_: cool | Feb 17 15:17 |
| K410 | now test and dev based on his progress | Feb 17 15:17 |
| juhp | K410: does it work? | Feb 17 15:18 |
| K410 | user operation is working, confirming quality now | Feb 17 15:18 |
| juhp | anyway encourage all you who use inputmethods to file bugs for anything you spot and also rfe for features that are missing | Feb 17 15:18 |
| juhp | K410: ok good | Feb 17 15:19 |
| pravins | sure | Feb 17 15:19 |
| juhp | there are only two left for feature freeze | Feb 17 15:19 |
| juhp | * fonts repackaging | Feb 17 15:20 |
| juhp | well not too much to say here but still tracking this | Feb 17 15:20 |
| juhp | I think tagoh3 updated vlgothic and rahulb lohit so that is good | Feb 17 15:21 |
| rahulb | juhp, yep | Feb 17 15:21 |
| juhp | I went through all the open bugs and labelled the summaries with the font names (fun;) | Feb 17 15:21 |
| rahulb | I did culmus and lohit so far | Feb 17 15:21 |
| juhp | the numbers are going down | Feb 17 15:21 |
| juhp | rahulb: yes thanks | Feb 17 15:21 |
| juhp | I guess there are still a few more to do... | Feb 17 15:22 |
| juhp | maybe we should have a F11I18n tracker or something | Feb 17 15:22 |
| rahulb | yep, most others are single font packages, would be easier | Feb 17 15:22 |
| juhp | un-core-fonts has not been done yet either | Feb 17 15:23 |
| juhp | rahulb: cool | Feb 17 15:23 |
| juhp | I may have to do that one... | Feb 17 15:23 |
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| juhp | I will just comment here on another smaller item that I dropped from earlier - about i18n-team cvs mails bouncing - so actually it is due to the committer's fp.o email not being on the mailing list | Feb 17 15:25 |
| juhp | finally worked that out... so just thought I would mention that hear | Feb 17 15:26 |
| tagoh3 | no bouncing anymore you mean? | Feb 17 15:26 |
| juhp | so subscribing to fedora-i18n-bugs with one's fp.o address would allow the commit mails fwiw | Feb 17 15:27 |
| juhp | no :) | Feb 17 15:27 |
| tagoh3 | aha. cool | Feb 17 15:27 |
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| juhp | but yeah we could try drop cvscommit mails for i18n-team, hmm | Feb 17 15:27 |
| juhp | K410: forgot how about subpackaging for ibus-table tables btw? | Feb 17 15:28 |
| K410 | cangjie? | Feb 17 15:29 |
| juhp | K410: I thought the tables were going to be separated upstream | Feb 17 15:29 |
| juhp | K410: that too | Feb 17 15:29 |
| juhp | erm sorry not subpackaging | Feb 17 15:30 |
| juhp | I meant separating to a new package | Feb 17 15:30 |
| K410 | upstream has i-t-cangjie and i-t-erbi | Feb 17 15:30 |
| juhp | hope that will still happen in time for f11? | Feb 17 15:30 |
| juhp | K410: aha just those two? | Feb 17 15:30 |
| juhp | I think it would be better to decouple the data completely if possible | Feb 17 15:31 |
| K410 | on git, yes | Feb 17 15:31 |
| juhp | ok | Feb 17 15:31 |
| juhp | let's move to the next topic | Feb 17 15:31 |
| juhp | * fontconfig issues in rawhide and F10 | Feb 17 15:31 |
| K410 | sorry, wubi, extraphrase, zhengma too | Feb 17 15:31 |
| juhp | this is an interesting one | Feb 17 15:31 |
| K410 | (github collapsed that up) | Feb 17 15:32 |
| juhp | K410: ok cool - all separate projects now? | Feb 17 15:32 |
| K410 | yes | Feb 17 15:32 |
| juhp | ok that is a lot packages then... | Feb 17 15:32 |
| K410 | will do it right after api fix | Feb 17 15:32 |
| juhp | K410: maybe time to starting packaging them too when you have time | Feb 17 15:32 |
| juhp | cool | Feb 17 15:32 |
| juhp | so we thought we have fixed the fontconfig issues for CJK in rawhide and now they turn up for f10 too it seems | Feb 17 15:33 |
| juhp | tagoh3: particularly since vlgothic was pushed to f10 updates? | Feb 17 15:34 |
| juhp | hmm probably I should have focus the item text a little more carefully | Feb 17 15:35 |
| tagoh3 | juhp: yes. I should push updates synchronously since fontconfig conf in other font packages is relevant to fix this | Feb 17 15:35 |
| juhp | okay | Feb 17 15:35 |
| juhp | tagoh3: so we need to update all the main cjk fonts? | Feb 17 15:35 |
| tagoh3 | juhp: if we've changed them to apply conf for locale-specific, yes. | Feb 17 15:36 |
| juhp | and how about vlgothic for all sans? | Feb 17 15:36 |
| juhp | ok | Feb 17 15:36 |
| juhp | Since we didn't hear anything from Behdad still unclear if this is a side-effect of fontconfig changes upstream, or due to the new packaging or new intended fontconfig behaviour? | Feb 17 15:37 |
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| juhp | tagoh3: probably I should file a bug for that? | Feb 17 15:39 |
| juhp | anyway let's go to the next topic | Feb 17 15:39 |
| tagoh3 | a bug what? | Feb 17 15:39 |
| K410 | on rawhide, I have done the .conf patch on cjkuni side | Feb 17 15:39 |
| tagoh3 | for font packages on F-10? | Feb 17 15:39 |
| juhp | tagoh3: I mean seeing vlgothic for ascii on the desktop | Feb 17 15:39 |
| juhp | ja desktop | Feb 17 15:40 |
| tagoh3 | ah | Feb 17 15:40 |
| juhp | was trying to reproduce on a test instance but didn't get there yet | Feb 17 15:40 |
| tagoh3 | sure. dunno which packages the bug is really for. | Feb 17 15:41 |
| juhp | * Unicode 5.1 support for indic - RahulBhalerao | Feb 17 15:41 |
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| rahulb | I was working on 5.1 support in pango | Feb 17 15:41 |
| rahulb | figured out pango behavior for all new characters | Feb 17 15:41 |
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| rahulb | there is bug filed on fedora for the same https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=485050 | Feb 17 15:42 |
| juhp | aha | Feb 17 15:42 |
| buggbot | Bug 485050: medium, low, ---, besfahbo@redhat.com, NEW, Unicode 5.1 support in pango - Indic Lanuages | Feb 17 15:42 |
| rahulb | also filed it upstream with a patch for indic module | Feb 17 15:42 |
| rahulb | waiting for behdad to commit it | Feb 17 15:42 |
| rahulb | if that is done the rendering support will be complete | Feb 17 15:43 |
| juhp | sounds good | Feb 17 15:43 |
| juhp | rahulb: you could link the fedora bug to upstream if you like | Feb 17 15:43 |
| rahulb | still some designing contribution needed on fonts side | Feb 17 15:43 |
| juhp | ah yes | Feb 17 15:43 |
| rahulb | juhp, I have just mentioned the upstream bug number there | Feb 17 15:43 |
| juhp | yep | Feb 17 15:44 |
| rahulb | anyway that was all about it | Feb 17 15:44 |
| juhp | I just meant "External Bugs" | Feb 17 15:44 |
| juhp | thanks | Feb 17 15:44 |
| rahulb | ok | Feb 17 15:44 |
| juhp | * firefox indic locales smoke tests | Feb 17 15:45 |
| rahulb | nothing much on the next topic, just like to mention that | Feb 17 15:45 |
| juhp | for 3.1? | Feb 17 15:45 |
| rahulb | yep | Feb 17 15:45 |
| rahulb | actually I met Set Bindernagel at Gnunify last week | Feb 17 15:45 |
| juhp | so you're planning so testing of that there? | Feb 17 15:45 |
| juhp | aha | Feb 17 15:45 |
| rahulb | and we had some discussion about moving 'beta' of localized ff to live | Feb 17 15:46 |
| juhp | ah good | Feb 17 15:46 |
| rahulb | and thus there needs some testing to be completed | Feb 17 15:46 |
| juhp | rahulb: so it means upstream smoke tests? | Feb 17 15:46 |
| rahulb | its almost in a final stage | Feb 17 15:46 |
| rahulb | yep | Feb 17 15:46 |
| juhp | excellent | Feb 17 15:46 |
| rahulb | once that is done, very soon many indic loacles will come live for firefox | Feb 17 15:47 |
| rahulb | thanks juhp | Feb 17 15:47 |
| juhp | rahulb: does it affect 3.1b3? | Feb 17 15:47 |
| juhp | or that is probably already frozen? | Feb 17 15:47 |
| rahulb | depends on the translation status of particular language | Feb 17 15:47 |
| juhp | okay | Feb 17 15:48 |
| juhp | that is everything on the agenda | Feb 17 15:48 |
| rahulb | thats is it, I will further helping ff team with these locales hereon | Feb 17 15:48 |
| juhp | nice | Feb 17 15:48 |
| juhp | * open discussion | Feb 17 15:48 |
| juhp | so any other topics to bring up today before we close the meeting? | Feb 17 15:49 |
| juhp | if not then thanks everyone for participating | Feb 17 15:51 |
| juhp | we meet again here in two weeks time (at the time of the feature freeze) | Feb 17 15:52 |
| juhp | # meeting closed | Feb 17 15:52 |
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