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| jjmcd | <meeting><title>Fedora Docs Meeting</title> | 19:00 |
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| jjmcd | Sparks won't be here and I don't have ops so you won't see the channel topic changing | 19:01 |
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| jjmcd | Looks like many of the perps are missing | 19:01 |
| * rudi is here | 19:01 | |
| jjmcd | Before we get started on the agenda, we had a RelEng meeting today, no real show stoppers | 19:01 |
| * joat is lurking nearby | 19:02 | |
| ianweller | oh look a meeting | 19:02 |
| jjmcd | I see a few of the usual suspects, but many are missing | 19:02 |
| * laubersm is here (mostly) | 19:02 | |
| jjmcd | Good, laubersm you are on the agenda | 19:02 |
| laubersm | I am? | 19:02 |
| jjmcd | Anyway, rawhide builds are going slowly on account of the delta rpms, but so far no real show stoppers | 19:02 |
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| laubersm | link? | 19:02 |
| jjmcd | Docs_Project_meetings#Thursday_Apr_23_2009_.28Wed_US_Time.29 | 19:03 |
| jjmcd | There is an issue with logging on to updated systems they want us to make sure we catch on the common bugs page | 19:03 |
| jjmcd | No other real news from RelEng ... on to f-r-n | 19:04 |
| jjmcd | Release notes went out Tuesday for preview | 19:04 |
| jjmcd | I noticed an issue with Oriya language and laubersm apparently had some issue there too. Can you explain laubersm? | 19:05 |
| laubersm | The only problem I had was one that occured in another lang also | 19:05 |
| laubersm | it loks like something fuzzy being transalated or something left over from F10 | 19:05 |
| laubersm | They were including an xref to another section that does not exist and was not in the english string | 19:06 |
| jjmcd | OK, so not some tagging issue? | 19:06 |
| laubersm | it is tagging - but it does not hit an error until after a build. | 19:06 |
| jjmcd | Ahhh, OK. I noticed that Oriya crashes yelp, but it also does that in F10 | 19:06 |
| jjmcd | And there is a bug for yelp that sounds similar, but not specific to Oriya | 19:07 |
| jjmcd | So for preview at least, it looks like we are done with release notes. Any further on RNs? | 19:08 |
| jjmcd | OK, our next task is the preview announcement. They would like us to push the testing aspect a little harder. | 19:09 |
| jjmcd | There is a relatively long time between Pr and GA, so more time to test | 19:09 |
| jjmcd | Anyone interested in picking up the announcement? Due Friday. | 19:09 |
| jjmcd | Don't everyone jump at once! | 19:10 |
| jjmcd | Next thing on the schedule is pots for the guides, will all the guides have their pots for next week? | 19:11 |
| jjmcd | is anyone here? | 19:11 |
| jjmcd | ke4qqq: IG status? | 19:11 |
| jjmcd | radsy: Security and SEL? | 19:12 |
| radsy | selinux guide is going to be ready for peer review very soon | 19:12 |
| radsy | in the next few days | 19:13 |
| jjmcd | OK, so no pots next week I presume | 19:13 |
| radsy | security-guide is still being discussed | 19:13 |
| radsy | no | 19:13 |
| rudi | jjmcd -- IG is already in translation | 19:14 |
| jjmcd | rudi: excellent, thanks | 19:14 |
| jjmcd | danielsmw: User guide status? | 19:14 |
| rudi | jjmcd - I'm about an hour away from completing the UG conversion to XML | 19:15 |
| jjmcd | Ahhh, excellent. Are you doing that manually or using a tool? | 19:15 |
| rudi | Will be ready to create a Transifex branch straight after that | 19:15 |
| rudi | Manually. | 19:15 |
| rudi | I don't know of a tool that works well enough | 19:15 |
| * jjmcd really wants to try mw-render but never any breathing room | 19:16 | |
| jjmcd | ianweller: what is the status of mwrender? | 19:16 |
| ianweller | slowly coming out of a coma | 19:17 |
| ianweller | not sure what's going on with the odfpy07 review, and a new patch from abadger1999 was pushed upstream | 19:17 |
| ianweller | abadger1999 doesn't have any data to test with though | 19:17 |
| rudi | The problem with any conversion *to* xml is that the converter can preserve the markup, sure. But cannot create the semantic meaning behind the markup. | 19:17 |
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| ianweller | so if someone can throw data at him and how to cause churning so he can debug stuff, that would be great. | 19:17 |
| abadger1999 | Yeah. I can keep fixing tracebacks one by one but that's a bit inefficient. | 19:18 |
| jjmcd | rudi: Can we help that with more consistent wiki markup? | 19:19 |
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| jjmcd | abadger1999: I'm sure we can find data, are you looking to exploit specific issues? | 19:19 |
| abadger1999 | jjmcd: Whatever you do with mw-render. | 19:19 |
| rudi | jjmcd - not really. There's no real way to distinguish that (for example), (italics) in one instance is because it's the name of an application, in another instance is the name of a button, or in another case is a choice on a menu. | 19:20 |
| abadger1999 | jjmcd: Upstream tested my patch and had a traceback with mw-render. I'm not even sure what the program does :-) | 19:20 |
| jjmcd | ahhhh OK | 19:20 |
| abadger1999 | So what to try, data to try it with, what to expect. | 19:20 |
| abadger1999 | Then I'll test with my patch and odfpy-0.9 and fix any issues. | 19:21 |
| rudi | I guess you could do it with classes, but then you lose pretty much all the advantage of a wiki, because you're basically coding raw HTML :) | 19:21 |
| ianweller | rudi: you could set up templates and hack the parser to deal with those separately. | 19:21 |
| jjmcd | rudi: A lot of our current markup has around packages for example, but I thought we had a <package> macro or template or whatever with MW now. | 19:21 |
| ianweller | like Template:Menuchoice would result in Blah -> blah -> blah on the wiki | 19:21 |
| rudi | True - but then, you're probably better off just coding XML anyway :) | 19:21 |
| jjmcd | Well, except for gathering the contributors | 19:22 |
| jjmcd | Problem basically is that XML sounds scarier than the wiki, even if it isn't | 19:22 |
| jjmcd | So for now anyway, mw-render is an F12 or later thing I guess | 19:23 |
| jjmcd | Anything else on the guides? | 19:24 |
| rudi | jjmcd - agreed. But at the same time, the people who find XML scary are unlikely to learn the intricacies of a set of specific wiki templates and use them consistently, I think. | 19:24 |
| jjmcd | rudi: Actually, I think the wiki actually *IS* harder than the XML, but XML/DocBook is a barrier | 19:25 |
| rudi | The wiki is an awesome knowledge-capturing tool, but I don't know that it's ever going to give us much head-start on markup (although I'll be very happy to be proven wrong...) | 19:25 |
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| jjmcd | And to be honest, the manual translation really isn't all that painful, but still, auto would be nicer | 19:26 |
| laubersm | It is more a mental thing for some reason - but you might get more people to learn wiki markup than both XML AND git - so maybe if | 19:26 |
| laubersm | someone was to contribute to wiki and others markup it up with templates then mwrender did the heavey lifting as it move to git for publication... | 19:26 |
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| laubersm | rather than having to diff the wiki every day | 19:26 |
| laubersm | and fix the xml | 19:26 |
| jjmcd | Yes, I was thinking along those lines, too. And I forgot about git. That is even scarier for a new contributor | 19:27 |
| laubersm | just a thought - for later and f12 :) | 19:27 |
| jjmcd | perhaps a hackfest at FudCON/F12 | 19:27 |
| laubersm | btw - I agree that git and XML/Docbook/publican is easier | 19:27 |
| jjmcd | But the emotional barrier, especially for git, is huge | 19:28 |
| laubersm | odd but true | 19:28 |
| jjmcd | OK, CMS. Is there anyone who can enlighten us on the zikula status? ke4qqq? | 19:28 |
| jjmcd | nobody? | 19:29 |
| laubersm | I saw a note from Simon that said he was busy but had not forgotten us :) | 19:30 |
| jjmcd | Well, that is encouraging | 19:30 |
| jjmcd | ianweller: Anything on wiki? | 19:30 |
| ianweller | no :) | 19:30 |
| jjmcd | ;) | 19:30 |
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| laubersm | ianweller, did you change the Packaging pages yet? | 19:31 |
| ianweller | no :) | 19:31 |
| ianweller | i'm working on wikibot | 19:31 |
| ianweller | somewhat slowly, but hay | 19:31 |
| ianweller | hey* | 19:31 |
| laubersm | Add more help pages? | 19:31 |
| laubersm | Get localization? | 19:31 |
| * laubersm runs and ducks | 19:31 | |
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| jjmcd | renaming pretty much all done? So we can get after quaid and stickster | 19:32 |
| jjmcd | and categorization of course | 19:33 |
| laubersm | jjmcd, for DocsProject stuff? been done more weeks - someone needs to clean up what is left | 19:34 |
| * ianweller goes to the corner of the channel and rolls up into a little ball | 19:34 | |
| laubersm | hmmm --- been done for weeks --- is what I ment | 19:34 |
| jjmcd | OK, good. I see the occasional page outstanding, but I suspect the wikiczar needs to lean on some other folks | 19:34 |
| jjmcd | Perhaps we need to order him a bigger stick | 19:35 |
| jjmcd | OK, one other thing sort of snuck up on us. There are 5 docs in f-r-n.rpm besides the RN's proper | 19:35 |
| jjmcd | These are all using the doc utils. I suppose it is time to convert them to Publican too, since we seem to be running out of raw docbook docs | 19:35 |
| jjmcd | Does anyone have a solution for creating the .omf files, besides brute force? | 19:36 |
| jjmcd | Looking at the task list, it appears that all the items have names on them that aren't here, except for the 'all' tasks which are pretty much covered | 19:37 |
| jjmcd | We are at the end of the list and it is pretty early, anything else? | 19:38 |
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| jjmcd | nobody? | 19:38 |
| jjmcd | OK | 19:38 |
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| jjmcd | </meeting> | 19:39 |
| jjmcd | Thanks everyone | 19:39 |
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