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Fedora Weekly News Issue 203

Welcome to Fedora Weekly News Issue 203^[1] for the week ending November 22, 2009. What follows are some highlights from this issue.

Fedora 12 "Constantine" was released this past week, and we kick off this week's issue with a sampling of reviews from around the globe. Also in announcements, details on a change in Fedora 12's PackageKit permissions. In news from the Fedora Planet, some details on what's involved with providing delta RPMs, a new feature in Fedora 12, a site visit to the new Red Hat Computing Lab at Carnegie Mellon, and much more from Fedora contributors. Quality Assurance brings us up to date with the recent weekly meetings of the QA team which have focused on F12, with lots of interesting detail behind the scenes! In Translation news, details on updates and errata for Fedora 12 release notes, and a couple translation requests from SSSD and Midnight Commander. Security Advisories keeps us current with security patches for Fedora 10, 11, and 12. In news from the world of Fedora virtualization, coverage of a recent interview with virtualization luminaries, a status report on Fedora virtualization and details on the latest version of libvirt. Enjoy FWN 203!

If you are interested in contributing to Fedora Weekly News, please see our 'join' page^[2]. We welcome reader feedback: fedora-news-list@redhat.com

FWN Editorial Team: Pascal Calarco, Adam Williamson

Announcements

In this section, we cover announcements from the Fedora Project, including general announcements^[1], development announcements^[2] and Events^[3].

Contributing Writer: Pascal Calarco

Fedora 12 Reviews: A Sampling

Fedora 12, "Constantine", was released last week to widespread acclaim. A few sample reviews:

Linux Magazine (USA) "Fedora, still pushing the envelope"^[1]
ZDNet UK "Saving the "Best" for Last - Fedora 12 (Constantine)"^[2]
The Register (UK) "Fedora 12 - Its a horse, not a camel"^[3]
ghacks.net (USA) "Major improvements with Fedora 12"^[4]
IT Pro (UK) "Fedora 12 tweaks virtualisation, video"^[5]
TechWorld (Australia) "Fedora Linux 12 arrives, ups multimedia support"^[6]
TechSpot (USA) "Fedora 12 released, brings multi-touch support, more"^[7]
Datamation "Building On-Ramps on the Fedora 12 Highway"^[8]

FEDORA ANNOUNCE LIST

F12 PackageKit root permission change

Fedora Project leader Paul W. Frields, announced a change in for Fedora 12's PackageKit, which had allowed non-root users to install updates and new packages. Frields wrote^[1],

"The Fedora 12 release contained changes in the default PackageKit behavior that allow installation of packages by users in cases where:

the user is logged in on the local console, and
is installing packages signed with a previously trusted key, and
is using a previously configured and trusted repository

After more discussion and thought, though, the package maintainers have posted to the fedora-devel-list mailing list agreeing to provide an update to Fedora 12's PackageKit. The update will require local console users to enter the root password to install new software packages. Details on the changes are found here^[2]."

FEDORA EVENTS

Fedora events are the source of marketing, learning and meeting all the fellow community people around you. So, please mark your agenda with the following events to consider attending or volunteering near you!

Upcoming Events

North America (NA)^[1]
Central & South America (LATAM) ^[2]
Europe, Middle East, and Africa (EMEA)^[3]
India, Asia, Australia (India/APJ)^[4]

Past Events

Archive of Past Fedora Events^[1]

↑ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#Past_Events

Planet Fedora

In this section, we cover the highlights of Planet Fedora^[1] - an aggregation of blogs from Fedora contributors worldwide.

Contributing Writer: Adam Batkin

↑ http://planet.fedoraproject.org

General

Jonathan Dieter described^[1] some of the challenges that were involved in the development of deltarpms.

Richard W.M. Jones shared^[2] a couple shell tricks for using and modifying the shell's history in order to save time and work more efficiently.

Greg DeKoenigsberg visited^[3] Pittsburgh for the opening of the new Red Hat Computing Lab at Carnegie Mellon University. Among the treats was a look at OpenISR^[4], the Internet Suspend/Resume project. Sound cool? It is.

Devan Goodwin has "been doing some work recently on cobbler4j, a small Java library for interacting with Cobbler over XMLRPC based on the work done to integrate Cobbler into Spacewalk." ^[5]

Luke Macken announced^[6] that TurboGears 2 is now available in Fedora and EPEL.

Máirín Duffy says: On Tuesday, November 24 there will be a Fedora Interaction Design Hackfest^[7]. Anyone interested in learning about Interaction Design or improving the Fedora user experience should join in on IRC.

A number of folks chimed in with thoughts on some recent changes to the PackageKit default permissions in Fedora 12. Seth Vidal explained^[8]: "In f12 the default policy for polkit for package kit is to allow users at the desktop to install signed pkgs from repositories enabled on the system." However, shortly thereafter it was announced that the default would change in an updated package. Ankur Sinha linked to the announcement^[9] on fedora-devel.

Steven Pritchard shared^[10] some further thoughts in a provocatively titled post "Why developers suck as admins".

Greg DeKoenigsberg used the opportunity to discuss^[11] "the difference between transparency and communication" in relation to the recent PackageKit changes.

John Poelstra looked^[12] at Fedora's Release Criteria now that a Target Audience has been discussed and agreed upon.

Dave Malcolm introduced^[13] 2to3c, "a tool to help people port their C python extensions from Python 2 to Python 3."

Fedora 12 Roundup

Paul W. Frields^[1] and Kulbir Saini^[2] answered some of the more common questions to do with the new release.

Máirín Duffy announced^[3] that the new Fedora Spins site has gone live^[4].

Eric Christensen outlined^[5] twelve different types of documentation available with Fedora 12, from Release Notes to Security and Virtualization guides.

Marketing

In this section, we cover the Fedora Marketing Project.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing

Contributing Writer: Chaitanya Mehandru

Marketing Meeting Log for 2009-09-22

Meeting logs ^[1] and notes ^[2] for the 2009-09-22. Fedora Marketing Meeting were made available. All Marketing meetings and notes are open to the public. ^[3]

Thanks to Robyn Bergeron for running the meeting in Mel’s absence!!

F12 Talking points

Talking points are more or less done^[4] and now ambassadors can start using them. Ambassadors can choose from various suggestions on using talking points^[5].

Matchmaking for Feature Profile interviews

With the F12 talking points out already, we need to start doing print or podcast interviews around some of the points /features^[6]. We identified the desktop,admin and development users category and selected 4 talking points that should definitely have interviews to go along with them- Next-Gen Ogg, NetworkManager enhancements, Virt improvements, and Systemtap improvements.

The tools / information to start doing interviews are available^[7]. If someone is willing to take something on, please add your name to the wiki as the owner so we know that we (a) have an owner, and (b) don't have 12 owners being redundant.

Paul W. Frields has graciously volunteered to do the SystemTap interview and has shared a stub page for the systmetap interview he did in F11^[8]. A podcast will be available soon. Thanks Paul!!!

We're still looking to synchronize interviewees and interviewers^[9].

Fedora Insight status

We originally planned to launch Fedora Insight on September 29 (right before infrastructure freeze), but to get a stable platform up and tested, with a contribution workflow we're all happy with, we pushed the launch date out until right after the freeze instead and moved it to Oct 14(when the freeze lifts), and the revised schedule is available^[10]. ^[11]^[12].

Marketing Research

Robyn is working on a list of questions on marketing research to be sent out and will keep plugging away at market research.

Coming up next

In-depth feature profiles are on track and should get finished by 2009-10-06. Help with podcasts is available on a wiki page "How to make a podcast" and provides advises on how to start with making podcasts for best results^[13].

Red Hat Marketing/PR will be helping a during the F12 release cycle and we should have a release video ready for release day. Paul will be recording the video and is currently working to get a couple feature videos ready in the coming weeks.

Ambassadors

In this section, we cover Fedora Ambassadors Project^[1].

Contributing Writer: Larry Cafiero

↑ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors

Fedora 12 event in Antwerp, Belgium

Bert Desmet reports there will be a Fedora 12 release event in Belgium which will take place near Antwerp. The event will introduce Constantine to Fedora veterans and new users alike, showing the new features in the release, as well as providing tips and tricks for F12.

More information can be found on the wiki at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F12_Antwerp

Fedora 12 is coming

We're less than two weeks away from the release of Fedora 12.

With the upcoming release, this is a reminder that posting an announcement of your event on Fedora Weekly News can help get the word out. Contact FWN Ambassador correspondent Larry Cafiero at lcafiero-AT-fedoraproject-DOT-org with announcements of upcoming events -- and don't forget to e-mail reports after the events as well.

Developments

In this section the people, personalities and debates on the @fedora-devel mailing list are summarized.

Contributing Writer: Oisin Feeley

Would You Like to Write This Beat ?

Following this issue (FWN#178) I will, with regret, no longer be covering the @fedora-devel list. If you are interested in writing this weekly summary of the deeds and doings on the list then please contact fedora-news-list@redhat.com or Pascal Calarco. A short overview of what you may need to do can be obtained by reading the workflow^[1] section of the wiki. The @fedora-news list is also extremely open and helpful. Joining^[2] the News Project is quite straightforward.

Is gNaughty a Hot Babe ?

Rahul Sundaram posted^[1] the results of a survey conducted, primarily on @fedora-list and on the forums, to discover which non-repository-packaged software Fedora consumers were using.

One interesting point is that CMUCL^[2] was revealed^[3] to be only available for 32-bit systems. However what got people really excited was^[4] Rahul's question about what to do concerning the gNaughty package. Its sole purpose seemed^[5] to be downloading pornography. Rahul referenced the hot-babe CPU monitor which enjoyed controversy in Debian packaging circles due to its use of female nudity. Rahul wanted to find out "[...] is this allowed in Fedora?"

Amusingly a good deal of the controversy focused on whether the content was freely redistributable, but a predictable moral angle was raised^[6] by Muayyad AlSadi who asked for help in producing a spin which removed content deemed objectionable. Muayyad is a Jordanian developer who has been producing an Arabic-localized Fedora spin named "Ojuba" for some time. Muayyad sought a way to make identifying and tagging packages easier to facilitate this spin. Bill Nottingham was^[7] skeptical about the chances of tags keeping meaning unless there was some sort of review board. Equally predictable was^[8] the reaction typified by Seth Vidal which resisted any attempt to restrict packages according to standards which had nothing to do with licensing or patent issues. Mathieu Bridon thought^[9] that the creation of a wiki-page by Muayyad would allow anyone interested in co-ordinating work on "Inappropriate Content" to just go ahead and do it without dragging in bureaucracy.

Chrome9 Vx800 Graphics Support on LiveUSB

Kristaps Viesalgs asked^[1] for help in getting the Fedora Live USB to boot correctly on a machine using a Via Vx800 "Chrome9" GPU. Kristaps had some success with the latest upstream version (from their subversion repository) and asked: "Is there any brutal option how to properly boot X with vesa driver, install Fedora, then make openchrome svn installation? Is Fedora planning to make for VIA graphic chipset autoconfiguration utility?"

Adam Jackson asked^[2] for a more specific bug report because the chip should be supported. He preferred not to ship an autoconfiguration utility instead of just getting the driver correct. Similar points were made by Adam Williamson and [[User:|Xavier Bachelot]]. The latter asked^[3] any interested developers to help out the openchrome project in both the 2D and 3D(Gallium) sides.

Who Wants a Pony?

Kushal Das promised^[1] a pony to anyone that would take the trouble to review^[2] one of his packages.

Firestarter Retired as Unportable to PolicyKit

Adam Miller asked^[1] whether he should just retire the Firestarter^[2] package for which he had recently become the maintainer. His query was based on the recent filing of RFEs to integrate Firestarter with PolicyKit. These suggested to Adam that a large amount of work would be needed due to the lack of any upstream activity for four years and the need to grok PolicyKit.

Following confirmation from Rahul Sundaram and Seth Vidal a decision was made^[3] by Adam: "I would honestly rather retire the package than do a WONTFIX, if the project as a whole is going the direction of PolicyKit and upstream is dead then I don't want to keep old and busted cruft around the repositories as Fedora continues to look towards the future."

A further suggestion from "Cry" prompted^[4] Adam to start filing RFEs against system-config-firewall for any features present in Firestarter but missing in system-config-firewall.

↑ http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg02089.html
↑ Firestarter is a firewall configuration GUI
↑ http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg02094.html
↑ http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg02122.html

Russian Fedora ?

When Peter Lemenkov asked^[1] about the idea of creating a Fedora Foundation outside of the U.S.A. the usual arguments from the past few years were rehashed. Kevin Kofler gave^[2] an able summary why this would still present Red Hat with a problem.

An assertion by [[User:|Alexey Torkhov]] that there existed^[3] a Red Hat-sanctioned "RussianFedora" spin which contained mp3 codecs and other material excluded from the actual Fedora Project repositories drew demands for proof from Rahul Sundaram.

Will FESCo Revisit Kmods ?

A discussion of why VirtualBox will not be a feature due to its code not yet heading upstream and consequently remaining as kmods drew a statement of support from Kevin Kofler for reverting the current banning of kmods should he become a FESCo member. Upon request from Richard W.M. Jones for a dispassionate summary of the reasons to avoid kmods drew^[1] a concise response from Seth Vidal.

Adam Williamson and Matt Domsch (Dell's DKMS mastermind) kicked^[2] some ideas back and forth over the advantages of akmods versus kmods.

Upgrade from Fedora 10 to Rawhide (Fedora 11)

Following a report from Uwe Kiewel that a

yum upgrade

had spewed all sorts of errors the supported methods for upgrades were re-stated^[1] by Adam Williamson: "[I]f you talk to the people most involved in implementing it (Seth) and testing it (Will) they will tell you that doing live upgrades via yum can't really ever be 100% safe for various reasons, but preupgrade can get very close and is useful in all the same cases. So their position is, we support preupgrade, we don't support yum. If yum works, great, if it doesn't, you can bug people to fix whatever it stopping it working, but it's not 'required' by any policy or guideline."

↑ http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg02041.html

Advisory Board

In this section, we cover discussion in Fedora Advisory Board.

https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-advisory-board

Contributing Writer: MichaelLarabel

Headline

Story

Documentation

In this section, we cover the Fedora Documentation Project.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject

Contributing Writer: Jason Taylor

Fedora Content Management System (CMS)

There has been a need for a CMS within the project and there will soon be a decision made in this regard. Karsten posted[0] the reasoning behind moving to a CMS[1] and the need for people with CMS administration experience to lend a hand.

[0] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-January/msg00077.html

[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CMS_solution_for_Fedora_Project_websites#Background

Translation

This section covers the news surrounding the Fedora Translation (L10n) Project^[1].

Contributing Writer: Runa Bhattacharjee

↑ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N

Fedora 12 Translation Schedule Tasks

The Translation Schedule for this week included the completion of the 0 day Release Notes for Fedora 12, to be published on docs.fedoraproject.org. This task ended on 26th November 2009^[1].

↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-November/msg00123.html

Accessibility Guide

Eric Christensen announced the availability of the Fedora Accessibility Guide^[1]. However, this Guide is not yet ready for translation via translate.fedoraproject.org due to the older version of Transifex that is currently being used here^[2]^[3].

New Members

Votta Luigi (Italian)^[1], Yajith Ajanta (Sinhala)^[2], Thomas Spitzmann (German)^[3] joined the Fedora Localization Project last week.

Infrastructure

This section contains the discussion happening on the fedora-infrastructure-list

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure

Contributing Writer: Huzaifa Sidhpurwala

Intrusion update

Mike McGrath sent a link ^[1] to the list about the intrusion which was sent to the fedora-announce-list earlier.^[2]

Mike said that he was waiting to discuss authentication mechanisms for the fedora-servers, Since passwords+ssh keys are not the most secure authentication mechanism. Also it seems that fedora does not have the budget for any RSA token like system for authentication.

There was a lot of discussion on this thread, with various people proposing different authentication mechanisms which could be used.

DennisGilmore started a similar thread about Auth Mechanims^[3] on which he discussed using etoken or Yubikey for authentication. It was a two factor authentication and therefore was more secure than passphrase or ssh keys.

Artwork

In this section, we cover the Fedora Design Team^[1].

Contributing Writer: Nicu Buculei

↑ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork

Interaction Design Hackfest

Máirín Duffy announced^[1] on @design-team an interaction design hackfest " I am planning to hold a Fedora interaction design hackfest next Tuesday to work on establishing a set of personas for Fedora" and followed on her blog with a detailed plan^[2] " 1. Learn about how interaction design is done. 2. Pick up some interaction design and user research skills. 3. Get involved in an open design project. 4. Help make Fedora better!". After the IRC meeting, she also published^[3] a summary and logs.

Game Screenshots Ready. Better Navigation Next

Máirín Duffy reported^[1] the accomplishment of distributed the task to gather screenshots for the Games Spin^[2] "We are done. I just checked in the last of the games images and we now have complete coverage. You rock. 127 games. This may be the most complete set of free game screenshots around. Congrats!" and opened a discuss for improving the navigation of the page "I'd like to design it such that maybe the games could be browsed slide-show style by category". James Mulroy proposed a set of mockups^[3] exploring ways to categorize the content.

↑ http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-November/001489.html
↑ http://spins.fedoraproject.org/games/
↑ "I did a few very rough mock ups of an idea i had for this, my idea would be to create a ajax browser for the screen shots" and the discuss continued<ref>http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-November/001491.html</li></ol></ref>

Daily Package

In this section, we recap the packages that have been highlighted as a Fedora Daily Package.

http://dailypackage.fedorabook.com/

Contributing Writer: ChrisTyler

Headline

Story

Security Week

In this section, we highlight the security stories from the week in Fedora.

Contributing Writer: JoshBressers

Phrack 66

Phrack 66^[1] came out this week. If you're not aware, Phrack is the longest running hacker zine, it's impressive that after more than 20 years, it's still going.

Firefox 3.0.11

Yet another security update for Firefox was released, be sure to update, it's important. ^[2]

Security Advisories

In this section, we cover Security Advisories from fedora-package-announce.

http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-package-announce

Contributing Writer: Pascal Calarco

Events and Meetings

In this section, we cover event reports and meeting summaries from various Projects and SIGs.

Contributing Writer: ThomasChung

Fedora Board Meeting Minutes 2008-04-08

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/Meetings/

Fedora Community Architecture Meeting 2008-04-07

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityArchitecture/Meetings/

Fedora Ambassadors Steering Committee Meeting 2008-04-11

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/Meetings/

Fedora Ambassadors Meeting 2008-MM-DD

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings

Fedora Marketing Meeting 2008-MM-DD

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Meetings/Minutes

Fedora Documentation Steering Committee Meeting 2008-MM-DD

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings/Minutes

Fedora Engineering Steering Committee Meeting 2008-04-10

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Development/SteeringCommittee/Meetings

Fedora Infrastructure Meeting 2008-04-10

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Meetings

Fedora Localization/Translation Meeting 2008-MM-DD

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings

Fedora Packaging Committee Meeting 2008-04-08

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Minutes

Fedora Release Engineering Meeting 2008-04-07

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ReleaseEngineering/Meetings

Fedora Quality Assurance Meeting 2008-MM-DD

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/

Fedora Bug Zappers Meeting 2008-MM-DD

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/Meetings

Fedora SIG EPEL Report Week NN/2008

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Reports/

Fedora SIG KDE Meeting 2008-04-08

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/

Fedora SIG Store Meeting 2008-MM-DD

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store/Meetings

Fedora SIG Astronomy Meeting 2008-MM-DD

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Astronomy/Meetings

Ask Fedora

In this section, we answer general questions from Fedora community. Send your questions to askfedora AT fedoraproject.org and Fedora News Team will bring you answers from the Fedora Developers and Contributors to selected number of questions every week as part of our weekly news report. Please indicate if you do not wish your name and/or email address to be published.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AskFedora

Writers: Paul W Frields, Rahul Sundaram

What is the official Fedora policy on Mono?

Arthur Pemberton asked: "Fedora traditionally holds fairly strict guidelines for inclusion of software, and the pursuit of Free Software. As such I consider their decisions on such things to be quite important. With that in mind, I would like to ask: what is the official Fedora policy on Mono? Specifically in terms to its FOSS nature and legality."

Paul W Frields, Fedora Project Leader responds:

Until certain ambiguities such as those concerning Mono's patent licensing and redistribution are resolved, there is no formal policy that I'm aware of. We have concerns which are being researched, and any official policy would likely come through Fedora Legal and the Fedora Engineering Steering Committee. The substitution of Gnote for Tomboy on the Desktop Live image and in the default installation for Fedora 12 reduces package load in the standard Fedora Desktop Live image, but for now Mono remains in the Fedora repositories.

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Contents

Fedora Weekly News Issue 203

Announcements

Fedora 12 Reviews: A Sampling

FEDORA ANNOUNCE LIST

F12 PackageKit root permission change

FEDORA EVENTS

Upcoming Events

Past Events

Planet Fedora

General

Fedora 12 Roundup

Marketing

Marketing Meeting Log for 2009-09-22

F12 Talking points

Matchmaking for Feature Profile interviews

Fedora Insight status

Marketing Research

Coming up next

Ambassadors

Fedora 12 event in Antwerp, Belgium

Fedora 12 is coming

Developments

Would You Like to Write This Beat ?

Is gNaughty a Hot Babe ?

Chrome9 Vx800 Graphics Support on LiveUSB

Who Wants a Pony?

Firestarter Retired as Unportable to PolicyKit

Russian Fedora ?

Will FESCo Revisit Kmods ?

Upgrade from Fedora 10 to Rawhide (Fedora 11)

Advisory Board

Headline

Documentation

Fedora Content Management System (CMS)

Translation

Fedora 12 Translation Schedule Tasks

Accessibility Guide

New Members

Infrastructure

Intrusion update

Artwork

Interaction Design Hackfest

Game Screenshots Ready. Better Navigation Next

Daily Package

Headline

Security Week

Phrack 66

Firefox 3.0.11

Security Advisories

Fedora 12 Security Advisories

Fedora 11 Security Advisories

Fedora 10 Security Advisories

Events and Meetings

Fedora Board Meeting Minutes 2008-04-08

Fedora Community Architecture Meeting 2008-04-07

Fedora Ambassadors Steering Committee Meeting 2008-04-11

Fedora Ambassadors Meeting 2008-MM-DD

Fedora Marketing Meeting 2008-MM-DD

Fedora Documentation Steering Committee Meeting 2008-MM-DD

Fedora Engineering Steering Committee Meeting 2008-04-10

Fedora Infrastructure Meeting 2008-04-10

Fedora Localization/Translation Meeting 2008-MM-DD

Fedora Packaging Committee Meeting 2008-04-08

Fedora Release Engineering Meeting 2008-04-07

Fedora Quality Assurance Meeting 2008-MM-DD

Fedora Bug Zappers Meeting 2008-MM-DD

Fedora SIG EPEL Report Week NN/2008

Fedora SIG KDE Meeting 2008-04-08

Fedora SIG Store Meeting 2008-MM-DD