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15:00:11 | ! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | ||
15:00:33 | | style="color: #407a40" | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings | ||
15:00 | || [[#t15:00:01|15:00]] | ||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | okay I make time now | |||
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15: | |- id="t15:00:33" | ||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | so welcome to the first fedora-i18n meeting in a while | |||
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15: | ! style="background-color: #42427e" | pravins | ||
| style="color: #42427e" | hi all | |||
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15: | |- id="t15:00:52" | ||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | hopefully will be become more regular this year :) | |||
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! style="background-color: #818144" | sflanigan | |||
15: | | style="color: #818144" | g'day | ||
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! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang | |||
15: | | style="color: #854685" | hi | ||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | hi guys | |||
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! style="background-color: #488888" | paragn | |||
| style="color: #488888" | hi | |||
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15: | ! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | ||
| style="color: #407a40" | who else is participating in the meeting? | |||
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! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | jamesni | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | hi | |||
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15: | ! style="background-color: #4b904b" | tagoh3 | ||
| style="color: #4b904b" | hi | |||
15: | || [[#t15:01:45|15:01]] | ||
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! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | Kaio | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | hi | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | we have an agenda for the meeting https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings#Agenda | |||
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15: | ! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | ||
| style="color: #407a40" | let's get started | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
15: | | style="color: #407a40" | * IBus feature | ||
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! style="background-color: #97974f" | dychen_ | |||
| style="color: #97974f" | hi | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | first topic is ibus feature for f11 | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
15: | | style="color: #407a40" | phuang is pushing ahead with ibus for f11 | ||
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15: | ! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | ||
15: | | style="color: #407a40" | yesterday we switched comps to ibus so that tomorrow's rawhide should default now to ibus rather than scim | ||
15: | || [[#t15:03:59|15:03]] | ||
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15: | ! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang | ||
| style="color: #854685" | juhp, thanks | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/IBus has been moved to ready for fesco - so will be good to get feedback from them on the plan | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | :) | |||
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15: | ! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | ||
| style="color: #407a40" | there is still quite a lot of work to do to complete the feature work in time for beta | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: it is very important that the feature is completed in good time for the beta if it is going to be in f11:) | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | I think dychen_ and Kaio will be doing some work on the engines | |||
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! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang | |||
| style="color: #854685" | juhp, Yeah. I will do my best to achieve it | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: btw I was curious how easy do you think it is to write an engine in a language other than C or python? | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: thanks | |||
15: | || [[#t15:08:35|15:08]] | ||
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! style="background-color: #97974f" | dychen_ | |||
15: | | style="color: #97974f" | Yes, current I am workin on the building problem between libChewing and ibus-python. | ||
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! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | Kaio | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | juhp☺ mainly ibus-table, and ibus-anthy | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
15: | | style="color: #407a40" | dychen_: great | ||
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15 | ! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | ||
| style="color: #407a40" | Kaio: sounds good | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
15: | | style="color: #407a40" | if you have comments on the plan now or on the talk page would be a good time/place to do that too | ||
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! style="background-color: #97974f" | dychen_ | |||
| style="color: #97974f" | juhp, as soon as my libUnihan-iBus interface ready, they can use SQL table as engine. :-) | |||
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15: | ! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang | ||
| style="color: #854685" | juhp, It is not very hard. I could provide some libraries for other languages to make it easy. | |||
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15: | ! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | ||
15: | | style="color: #407a40" | phuang: ok - np was just thinking about that | ||
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15: | ! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | ||
| style="color: #407a40" | in fact there are already a few comments there | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:Features/IBus | |||
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! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang | |||
| style="color: #854685" | juhp, Currently, developers can only use dbus wrappers directly in other languages. | |||
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15 | ! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | ||
| style="color: #407a40" | first one I was discussing with nim-nim and it is big and outside the scope of f11 so I moved it to another agenda item | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: ok - so for c/python there is a nicer api, right? | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | second item I answered on fedora-devel-list earlier | |||
15: | || [[#t15:12:22|15:12]] | ||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
15: | | style="color: #407a40" | phuang: any comment on third question - about remote X support? | ||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | I imagine it would be similar situation to scim | |||
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! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang | |||
| style="color: #854685" | yeah. DBus is transparency in c & python | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | ok | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | any other discussion on this important topic before we move on? | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | so aim is to have C implemention in rawhide before Beta so that it can be tested enough for final f11 | |||
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! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang | |||
| style="color: #854685" | Remote X session could have a remote ibus daemon, or use locale ibus via XIM | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | okay | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: can you follow? and I can take care of the other two | |||
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! style="background-color: #42427e" | pravins | |||
| style="color: #42427e" | juhp: when we suppose to develop scim-sinhala etc for ibus? | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | pravins: good question - how important do you think it is? | |||
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! style="background-color: #42427e" | pravins | |||
| style="color: #42427e" | phuang: what you think? | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | pravins: at least we have maps for Sinhala in m17n like Indic langs but of course in long term would like to see more IMEs | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | currently it is not default for Sinhala and not installed by default in distro anyway fwiw | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | the default, I mean | |||
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! style="background-color: #42427e" | pravins | |||
| style="color: #42427e" | aha | |||
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! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang | |||
| style="color: #854685" | juhp, yeah. We have the map in m17n. | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | it was earlier I think | |||
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! style="background-color: #4b904b" | tagoh3 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | juhp: is there any languages not supported by ibus right now? | |||
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! style="background-color: #4b904b" | tagoh3 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | which was supported by scim | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: I can think of any off hand particularly | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | of course there are more IMEs available at this time still for scim | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | then again m17n handles nearly all langs | |||
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|- id="t15:19:23" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | but I don't think we lose any default IMEs by moving to ibus | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | for langs that use IM | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | shall we move on? | |||
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! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang | |||
| style="color: #854685" | ok | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | # Yum langpacks extension | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | okay asgeirf pointed out to me the recent discussion on fedora-devel-list about comps | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | and actually notting posted a prototype yum plugin that is close to this idea | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | so probably I will see if that can be used to solve the long-standing issue with getting conditional packages like langpacks installed | |||
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| colspan="2" | ---knurd_afk is now known as knurd | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | I was even pondering a feature for it, but glad to see that other people also see the importance of this and getting rid of the language support conditional nonsense eventually hopefully | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | hope this can be improved for f11 anyway | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | # Extending input-methods with emoticons and other unicode chars -- PravinSatpute | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | I might call this submodes (or minor modes in the sense of emacs) for input methods | |||
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! style="background-color: #42427e" | pravins | |||
| style="color: #42427e" | :) ->☺ U+263A | |||
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! style="background-color: #42427e" | pravins | |||
| style="color: #42427e" | :( -> ☹ U+2639 | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | yeah | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | I would like to have a nice unicode input method in m17n or ibus more probably | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | but mixing of IMEs is very interesting | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | a bit like combining xkb maps I guess | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang et al: any thoughts on that | |||
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! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang | |||
| style="color: #854685" | juhp, It is good | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | we probably won't do it for f11 say unless it is easy but interesting idea for the future | |||
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! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang | |||
| style="color: #854685" | juhp, yeah. | |||
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! style="background-color: #42427e" | pravins | |||
| style="color: #42427e" | yeah | |||
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! style="background-color: #9b519b" | asgeirf | |||
| style="color: #9b519b" | it would certainly get IMs more exposure :) | |||
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|- id="t15:28:08" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | it would certainly do something that other OSes can't | |||
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|- id="t15:28:16" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | asgeirf: right that too | |||
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|- id="t15:28:20" | |||
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang | |||
| style="color: #854685" | pravins, currently, ibus gtk im module, could do this. But qt im moudule & xim can not | |||
|| [[#t15:28:20|15:28]] | |||
|- id="t15:28:37" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | in fact I think we need to think about how to deal with xkb - a lot of people have talked about this | |||
|| [[#t15:28:37|15:28]] | |||
|- id="t15:28:50" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | the current dichotomy is quite ugly | |||
|| [[#t15:28:50|15:28]] | |||
|- id="t15:29:25" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | to us anyway - there should just be keyboard layouts and everything else should be an input method ;) | |||
|| [[#t15:29:25|15:29]] | |||
|- id="t15:30:15" | |||
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang | |||
| style="color: #854685" | juhp, I think we could let ibus to manage xkb. But I still need do more investigation on xkb. | |||
|| [[#t15:30:15|15:30]] | |||
|- id="t15:30:20" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: how does ibus-gtk deal with xkb issue again? | |||
|| [[#t15:30:20|15:30]] | |||
|- id="t15:30:22" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | okay | |||
|| [[#t15:30:22|15:30]] | |||
|- id="t15:30:26" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | that would be good | |||
|| [[#t15:30:26|15:30]] | |||
|- id="t15:31:21" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | pravins: in the mean time you could write an input map for emoticons, etc | |||
|| [[#t15:31:21|15:31]] | |||
|- id="t15:31:28" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | might catch on in irc... :) | |||
|| [[#t15:31:28|15:31]] | |||
|- id="t15:31:41" | |||
! style="background-color: #42427e" | pravins | |||
| style="color: #42427e" | juhp: surely i will try for that | |||
|| [[#t15:31:41|15:31]] | |||
|- id="t15:31:45" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | great | |||
|| [[#t15:31:45|15:31]] | |||
|- id="t15:31:51" | |||
! style="background-color: #42427e" | pravins | |||
| style="color: #42427e" | but :) and :( these are very common | |||
|| [[#t15:31:51|15:31]] | |||
|- id="t15:32:02" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | yeah | |||
|| [[#t15:32:02|15:32]] | |||
|- id="t15:32:03" | |||
! style="background-color: #42427e" | pravins | |||
| style="color: #42427e" | and we can add these in existing mim files | |||
|| [[#t15:32:03|15:32]] | |||
|- id="t15:32:16" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | and things like arrows, and what not | |||
|| [[#t15:32:16|15:32]] | |||
|- id="t15:32:34" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | pravins: yeah but not everyone may want them that i the problem | |||
|| [[#t15:32:34|15:32]] | |||
|- id="t15:32:40" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | is | |||
|| [[#t15:32:40|15:32]] | |||
|- id="t15:32:43" | |||
! style="background-color: #42427e" | pravins | |||
| style="color: #42427e" | hmm | |||
|| [[#t15:32:43|15:32]] | |||
|- id="t15:32:46" | |||
! style="background-color: #854685" | phuang | |||
| style="color: #854685" | pravins, yeah. maybe we could create a common mim file for it. And let others include it. Is it possible? | |||
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|- id="t15:33:13" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | or some conditional configure way of combining m17n maps | |||
|| [[#t15:33:13|15:33]] | |||
|- id="t15:33:19" | |||
! style="background-color: #42427e" | pravins | |||
| style="color: #42427e" | phuang: yeah, that is also nice | |||
|| [[#t15:33:19|15:33]] | |||
|- id="t15:33:20" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | configuration | |||
|| [[#t15:33:20|15:33]] | |||
|- id="t15:33:43" | |||
! style="background-color: #42427e" | pravins | |||
| style="color: #42427e" | yes we can start something like that | |||
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|- id="t15:33:57" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | pravins: thanks for bringing it up | |||
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|- id="t15:34:12" | |||
! style="background-color: #42427e" | pravins | |||
| style="color: #42427e" | juhp: welcome :) | |||
|| [[#t15:34:12|15:34]] | |||
|- id="t15:34:38" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | # default vfat fs encoding in F11 -- User:Alsadi | |||
|| [[#t15:34:38|15:34]] | |||
|- id="t15:34:49" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | default vfat fs encoding in F11 kernel (should the utf8 patch be removed? and be sure it's fixed in [hal or devicekit rhbz #470592]) | |||
|| [[#t15:34:49|15:34]] | |||
|- id="t15:35:06" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | is Alsadi here? | |||
|| [[#t15:35:06|15:35]] | |||
|- id="t15:35:17" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | I think he wanted to bring attention to this issue | |||
|| [[#t15:35:17|15:35]] | |||
|- id="t15:35:58" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | it is really something more for the desktop team I guess but we can help to try to get a satisfactory solution for international users | |||
|| [[#t15:35:58|15:35]] | |||
|- id="t15:37:13" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | just to summarise: I believe a fedora kernel patch to change the default encoding for vfat mount to utf-8 was reverted since it changed the behaviour for the fedora kernel compared to upstream and caused problems | |||
|| [[#t15:37:13|15:37]] | |||
|- id="t15:38:25" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | I Alsadi is suggesting that the hal should nevertheless be made to mount with utf8 by default so that filenames in utf8 appear correctly | |||
|| [[#t15:38:25|15:38]] | |||
|- id="t15:38:34" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | filename encoding are fun... | |||
|| [[#t15:38:34|15:38]] | |||
|- id="t15:38:53" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | will try to keep an eye on it | |||
|| [[#t15:38:53|15:38]] | |||
|- id="t15:39:21" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | # Fonts package renaming | |||
|| [[#t15:39:21|15:39]] | |||
|- id="t15:39:31" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | this is in progress | |||
|| [[#t15:39:31|15:39]] | |||
|- id="t15:39:42" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | how are people here doing with it | |||
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|- id="t15:40:04" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | the latest version changes the naming convention from *-fonts-* to *-*-fonts | |||
|| [[#t15:40:04|15:40]] | |||
|- id="t15:40:44" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | rahul_b, pravins, Kaio, tagoh3, juhp all have fonts | |||
|| [[#t15:40:44|15:40]] | |||
|- id="t15:41:00" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | Kaio | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | juhp☺ yes | |||
|| [[#t15:41:00|15:41]] | |||
|- id="t15:41:13" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | I confess to not having updated thaifonts-scalable will do that this week | |||
|| [[#t15:41:13|15:41]] | |||
|- id="t15:41:28" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | tagoh3 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | not yet finished for {sazanami,hanazono,vlgothic}-fonts. | |||
|| [[#t15:41:28|15:41]] | |||
|- id="t15:41:50" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: so vlgothic is getting downcased too? | |||
|| [[#t15:41:50|15:41]] | |||
|- id="t15:41:57" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | Kaio | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | talk to nim-nim if need anyth | |||
|| [[#t15:41:57|15:41]] | |||
|- id="t15:42:01" | |||
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | rahul_b | |||
| style="color: #539e9e" | I have lot to do with culmus and amy be even lohit fonts | |||
|| [[#t15:42:01|15:42]] | |||
|- id="t15:42:03" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: including the base package? | |||
|| [[#t15:42:03|15:42]] | |||
|- id="t15:42:11" | |||
! style="background-color: #42427e" | pravins | |||
| style="color: #42427e" | not finished yet for samyak-fonts and smc-fonts | |||
|| [[#t15:42:11|15:42]] | |||
|- id="t15:42:27" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | rahul_b: ok better do lohit first I guess | |||
|| [[#t15:42:27|15:42]] | |||
|- id="t15:42:29" | |||
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | rahul_b | |||
| style="color: #539e9e" | have been waiting for final guidelines for that | |||
|| [[#t15:42:29|15:42]] | |||
|- id="t15:42:39" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | good thinking | |||
|| [[#t15:42:39|15:42]] | |||
|- id="t15:42:48" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | they seem to be settling down now finally ;) | |||
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|- id="t15:42:54" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | tagoh3 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | juhp: no, not at all | |||
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|- id="t15:43:12" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: ah ok so still VLGothic-fonts? | |||
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|- id="t15:43:19" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | tagoh3 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | right | |||
|| [[#t15:43:19|15:43]] | |||
|- id="t15:43:21" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | good | |||
|| [[#t15:43:21|15:43]] | |||
|- id="t15:43:36" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | nim-nim was keen earlier to downcase ;-) | |||
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|- id="t15:43:51" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | maybe another say ;-P | |||
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|- id="t15:44:18" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | I hope by next meeting we will have finished the fonts stuff anyway :) | |||
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|- id="t15:44:40" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | # Language tagging in toolkits of input text for correct rendering and spelling-checking -- nim-nim | |||
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|- id="t15:45:08" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | mailhot put forward an interesting proposal which behdad also seems to buy | |||
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|- id="t15:45:25" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | first described on the ibus feature talk page | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | but after discussing it earlier on #fedora-devel I think I understand it now too and agree that it sounds attracture | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | erm attractive | |||
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! style="background-color: #539e9e" | rahul_b | |||
| style="color: #539e9e" | how does it work? | |||
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! style="background-color: #539e9e" | rahul_b | |||
| style="color: #539e9e" | from input method, or apps will handle on their own? | |||
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|- id="t15:46:56" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | basically the idea is that through the important method (probably) one specifies the language of input | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | rahul_b: well the exact details are still open under discussion | |||
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! style="background-color: #42427e" | pravins | |||
| style="color: #42427e" | rahul_b: might be adding language property field | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | im will then communicate this to the app as a language hint which it can use to set the rendering language and which dictionary to use to spellcheck the input | |||
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! style="background-color: #9b519b" | asgeirf | |||
| style="color: #9b519b" | so this will in other words be like e.g. OpenOffice does, but on a desktop-level? | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | so even if one is not running English desktop say one could still have english spellchecking easily in apps when one wants | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | asgeirf: right | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | well openoffice allows setting fonts I guess? | |||
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! style="background-color: #4b904b" | tagoh3 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | asgeirf: at least that sounds like not something can be fixed in one. | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | or importantly for CJK users can specific which Han language (script) they are using | |||
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|- id="t15:50:30" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | well doing it for gtk/gnome might be possible but it sounds complicated | |||
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|- id="t15:50:48" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | it needs to be discussed upstream for anything to happen | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | mclasen was also listening | |||
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! style="background-color: #9b519b" | asgeirf | |||
| style="color: #9b519b" | KDE4 had a feature called 'sonnet' which was supposed to do language detection and stuff... not sure if it was ever included though... | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | aha interesting | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | ok | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | any other last topics before we draw to a close? | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | I propose to have another meeting here in two weeks time - should be a lot of fedora 11 topics by then I guess after testing alpha :) | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | okay if there are no more comments or topics then let's close the meeting | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | thanks to everyone who joined in | |||
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | # (fedora-i18n meeting closed) | |||
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I18N Project Meeting 2009-01-20 Minutes
- 2009-01-20 0500 UTC on #fedora-meeting at Freenode
Agenda
Please add agenda items or propose to fedora-i18n-list ahead of the meeting.
- Features/IBus -- JensPetersen
- Yum langpacks extension -- JensPetersen
- Extending input-methods with emoticons and other unicode chars -- PravinSatpute
- default vfat fs encoding in F11 kernel (should the utf8 patch be removed? and be sure it's fixed in [hal or devicekit rhbz #470592]) -- User:Alsadi
- Fonts package renaming
- Language tagging in toolkits of input text for correct rendering and spelling-checking -- nim-nim
- Next meeting
Log
juhp | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings | 15:00 |
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juhp | okay I make time now | 15:00 |
juhp | so welcome to the first fedora-i18n meeting in a while | 15:00 |
pravins | hi all | 15:00 |
juhp | hopefully will be become more regular this year :) | 15:00 |
sflanigan | g'day | 15:01 |
phuang | hi | 15:01 |
juhp | hi guys | 15:01 |
paragn | hi | 15:01 |
juhp | who else is participating in the meeting? | 15:01 |
jamesni | hi | 15:01 |
tagoh3 | hi | 15:01 |
Kaio | hi | 15:02 |
juhp | we have an agenda for the meeting https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings#Agenda | 15:02 |
juhp | let's get started | 15:02 |
juhp | * IBus feature | 15:02 |
dychen_ | hi | 15:02 |
juhp | first topic is ibus feature for f11 | 15:02 |
juhp | phuang is pushing ahead with ibus for f11 | 15:03 |
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juhp | yesterday we switched comps to ibus so that tomorrow's rawhide should default now to ibus rather than scim | 15:03 |
phuang | juhp, thanks | 15:04 |
juhp | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/IBus has been moved to ready for fesco - so will be good to get feedback from them on the plan | 15:04 |
juhp | :) | 15:05 |
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juhp | there is still quite a lot of work to do to complete the feature work in time for beta | 15:06 |
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juhp | phuang: it is very important that the feature is completed in good time for the beta if it is going to be in f11:) | 15:07 |
juhp | I think dychen_ and Kaio will be doing some work on the engines | 15:08 |
phuang | juhp, Yeah. I will do my best to achieve it | 15:08 |
juhp | phuang: btw I was curious how easy do you think it is to write an engine in a language other than C or python? | 15:08 |
juhp | phuang: thanks | 15:08 |
dychen_ | Yes, current I am workin on the building problem between libChewing and ibus-python. | 15:08 |
Kaio | juhp☺ mainly ibus-table, and ibus-anthy | 15:08 |
juhp | dychen_: great | 15:08 |
juhp | Kaio: sounds good | 15:08 |
juhp | if you have comments on the plan now or on the talk page would be a good time/place to do that too | 15:09 |
dychen_ | juhp, as soon as my libUnihan-iBus interface ready, they can use SQL table as engine. :-) | 15:09 |
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phuang | juhp, It is not very hard. I could provide some libraries for other languages to make it easy. | 15:09 |
juhp | phuang: ok - np was just thinking about that | 15:10 |
juhp | in fact there are already a few comments there | 15:10 |
juhp | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:Features/IBus | 15:10 |
phuang | juhp, Currently, developers can only use dbus wrappers directly in other languages. | 15:10 |
juhp | first one I was discussing with nim-nim and it is big and outside the scope of f11 so I moved it to another agenda item | 15:11 |
juhp | phuang: ok - so for c/python there is a nicer api, right? | 15:11 |
juhp | second item I answered on fedora-devel-list earlier | 15:12 |
juhp | phuang: any comment on third question - about remote X support? | 15:12 |
juhp | I imagine it would be similar situation to scim | 15:13 |
phuang | yeah. DBus is transparency in c & python | 15:13 |
juhp | ok | 15:13 |
juhp | any other discussion on this important topic before we move on? | 15:13 |
juhp | so aim is to have C implemention in rawhide before Beta so that it can be tested enough for final f11 | 15:14 |
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phuang | Remote X session could have a remote ibus daemon, or use locale ibus via XIM | 15:14 |
juhp | okay | 15:14 |
juhp | phuang: can you follow? and I can take care of the other two | 15:15 |
pravins | juhp: when we suppose to develop scim-sinhala etc for ibus? | 15:15 |
juhp | pravins: good question - how important do you think it is? | 15:16 |
pravins | phuang: what you think? | 15:16 |
juhp | pravins: at least we have maps for Sinhala in m17n like Indic langs but of course in long term would like to see more IMEs | 15:16 |
juhp | currently it is not default for Sinhala and not installed by default in distro anyway fwiw | 15:16 |
juhp | the default, I mean | 15:17 |
pravins | aha | 15:17 |
phuang | juhp, yeah. We have the map in m17n. | 15:17 |
juhp | it was earlier I think | 15:17 |
tagoh3 | juhp: is there any languages not supported by ibus right now? | 15:17 |
tagoh3 | which was supported by scim | 15:17 |
juhp | tagoh3: I can think of any off hand particularly | 15:18 |
juhp | of course there are more IMEs available at this time still for scim | 15:18 |
juhp | then again m17n handles nearly all langs | 15:19 |
juhp | but I don't think we lose any default IMEs by moving to ibus | 15:19 |
juhp | for langs that use IM | 15:19 |
juhp | shall we move on? | 15:20 |
phuang | ok | 15:20 |
juhp | # Yum langpacks extension | 15:20 |
juhp | okay asgeirf pointed out to me the recent discussion on fedora-devel-list about comps | 15:21 |
juhp | and actually notting posted a prototype yum plugin that is close to this idea | 15:21 |
juhp | so probably I will see if that can be used to solve the long-standing issue with getting conditional packages like langpacks installed | 15:22 |
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juhp | I was even pondering a feature for it, but glad to see that other people also see the importance of this and getting rid of the language support conditional nonsense eventually hopefully | 15:23 |
juhp | hope this can be improved for f11 anyway | 15:24 |
juhp | # Extending input-methods with emoticons and other unicode chars -- PravinSatpute | 15:24 |
juhp | I might call this submodes (or minor modes in the sense of emacs) for input methods | 15:25 |
pravins | :) ->☺ U+263A | 15:25 |
pravins | :( -> ☹ U+2639 | 15:25 |
juhp | yeah | 15:25 |
juhp | I would like to have a nice unicode input method in m17n or ibus more probably | 15:25 |
juhp | but mixing of IMEs is very interesting | 15:26 |
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juhp | a bit like combining xkb maps I guess | 15:26 |
juhp | phuang et al: any thoughts on that | 15:26 |
phuang | juhp, It is good | 15:27 |
juhp | we probably won't do it for f11 say unless it is easy but interesting idea for the future | 15:27 |
phuang | juhp, yeah. | 15:27 |
pravins | yeah | 15:28 |
asgeirf | it would certainly get IMs more exposure :) | 15:28 |
juhp | it would certainly do something that other OSes can't | 15:28 |
juhp | asgeirf: right that too | 15:28 |
phuang | pravins, currently, ibus gtk im module, could do this. But qt im moudule & xim can not | 15:28 |
juhp | in fact I think we need to think about how to deal with xkb - a lot of people have talked about this | 15:28 |
juhp | the current dichotomy is quite ugly | 15:28 |
juhp | to us anyway - there should just be keyboard layouts and everything else should be an input method ;) | 15:29 |
phuang | juhp, I think we could let ibus to manage xkb. But I still need do more investigation on xkb. | 15:30 |
juhp | phuang: how does ibus-gtk deal with xkb issue again? | 15:30 |
juhp | okay | 15:30 |
juhp | that would be good | 15:30 |
juhp | pravins: in the mean time you could write an input map for emoticons, etc | 15:31 |
juhp | might catch on in irc... :) | 15:31 |
pravins | juhp: surely i will try for that | 15:31 |
juhp | great | 15:31 |
pravins | but :) and :( these are very common | 15:31 |
juhp | yeah | 15:32 |
pravins | and we can add these in existing mim files | 15:32 |
juhp | and things like arrows, and what not | 15:32 |
juhp | pravins: yeah but not everyone may want them that i the problem | 15:32 |
juhp | is | 15:32 |
pravins | hmm | 15:32 |
phuang | pravins, yeah. maybe we could create a common mim file for it. And let others include it. Is it possible? | 15:32 |
juhp | or some conditional configure way of combining m17n maps | 15:33 |
pravins | phuang: yeah, that is also nice | 15:33 |
juhp | configuration | 15:33 |
pravins | yes we can start something like that | 15:33 |
juhp | pravins: thanks for bringing it up | 15:33 |
pravins | juhp: welcome :) | 15:34 |
juhp | # default vfat fs encoding in F11 -- User:Alsadi | 15:34 |
juhp | default vfat fs encoding in F11 kernel (should the utf8 patch be removed? and be sure it's fixed in [hal or devicekit rhbz #470592]) | 15:34 |
juhp | is Alsadi here? | 15:35 |
juhp | I think he wanted to bring attention to this issue | 15:35 |
juhp | it is really something more for the desktop team I guess but we can help to try to get a satisfactory solution for international users | 15:35 |
juhp | just to summarise: I believe a fedora kernel patch to change the default encoding for vfat mount to utf-8 was reverted since it changed the behaviour for the fedora kernel compared to upstream and caused problems | 15:37 |
juhp | I Alsadi is suggesting that the hal should nevertheless be made to mount with utf8 by default so that filenames in utf8 appear correctly | 15:38 |
juhp | filename encoding are fun... | 15:38 |
juhp | will try to keep an eye on it | 15:38 |
juhp | # Fonts package renaming | 15:39 |
juhp | this is in progress | 15:39 |
juhp | how are people here doing with it | 15:39 |
juhp | the latest version changes the naming convention from *-fonts-* to *-*-fonts | 15:40 |
juhp | rahul_b, pravins, Kaio, tagoh3, juhp all have fonts | 15:40 |
Kaio | juhp☺ yes | 15:41 |
juhp | I confess to not having updated thaifonts-scalable will do that this week | 15:41 |
tagoh3 | not yet finished for {sazanami,hanazono,vlgothic}-fonts. | 15:41 |
juhp | tagoh3: so vlgothic is getting downcased too? | 15:41 |
Kaio | talk to nim-nim if need anyth | 15:41 |
rahul_b | I have lot to do with culmus and amy be even lohit fonts | 15:42 |
juhp | tagoh3: including the base package? | 15:42 |
pravins | not finished yet for samyak-fonts and smc-fonts | 15:42 |
juhp | rahul_b: ok better do lohit first I guess | 15:42 |
rahul_b | have been waiting for final guidelines for that | 15:42 |
juhp | good thinking | 15:42 |
juhp | they seem to be settling down now finally ;) | 15:42 |
tagoh3 | juhp: no, not at all | 15:42 |
juhp | tagoh3: ah ok so still VLGothic-fonts? | 15:43 |
tagoh3 | right | 15:43 |
juhp | good | 15:43 |
juhp | nim-nim was keen earlier to downcase ;-) | 15:43 |
juhp | maybe another say ;-P | 15:43 |
juhp | I hope by next meeting we will have finished the fonts stuff anyway :) | 15:44 |
juhp | # Language tagging in toolkits of input text for correct rendering and spelling-checking -- nim-nim | 15:44 |
juhp | mailhot put forward an interesting proposal which behdad also seems to buy | 15:45 |
juhp | first described on the ibus feature talk page | 15:45 |
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juhp | but after discussing it earlier on #fedora-devel I think I understand it now too and agree that it sounds attracture | 15:45 |
juhp | erm attractive | 15:46 |
rahul_b | how does it work? | 15:46 |
rahul_b | from input method, or apps will handle on their own? | 15:46 |
juhp | basically the idea is that through the important method (probably) one specifies the language of input | 15:46 |
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juhp | rahul_b: well the exact details are still open under discussion | 15:47 |
pravins | rahul_b: might be adding language property field | 15:47 |
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juhp | im will then communicate this to the app as a language hint which it can use to set the rendering language and which dictionary to use to spellcheck the input | 15:48 |
asgeirf | so this will in other words be like e.g. OpenOffice does, but on a desktop-level? | 15:48 |
juhp | so even if one is not running English desktop say one could still have english spellchecking easily in apps when one wants | 15:48 |
juhp | asgeirf: right | 15:48 |
juhp | well openoffice allows setting fonts I guess? | 15:49 |
tagoh3 | asgeirf: at least that sounds like not something can be fixed in one. | 15:49 |
juhp | or importantly for CJK users can specific which Han language (script) they are using | 15:50 |
juhp | well doing it for gtk/gnome might be possible but it sounds complicated | 15:50 |
juhp | it needs to be discussed upstream for anything to happen | 15:50 |
juhp | mclasen was also listening | 15:50 |
asgeirf | KDE4 had a feature called 'sonnet' which was supposed to do language detection and stuff... not sure if it was ever included though... | 15:51 |
juhp | aha interesting | 15:51 |
juhp | ok | 15:52 |
juhp | any other last topics before we draw to a close? | 15:52 |
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juhp | I propose to have another meeting here in two weeks time - should be a lot of fedora 11 topics by then I guess after testing alpha :) | 15:53 |
juhp | okay if there are no more comments or topics then let's close the meeting | 15:54 |
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juhp | thanks to everyone who joined in | 15:55 |
juhp | # (fedora-i18n meeting closed) | 15:55 |
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